Reality check on electric cars

That is not a real scenario.
It is a real scenario.
I have never had to find a place to charge.
You are not other people. Other people drive more & for longer distances than you do.
I charge in my garage, every time.
Okay.
You drive to a gas station and fill up a couple of times a week.
I, roughly ONCE a week, pull off the side of the road and turn into the entrance of a gas station that is conveniently located right off the very same road that I am already driving on anyway.
The examples are perfect.
They aren't.
You crazy dishonest rightys say over and over that EV owners have to recharge from zero to full regularly.
Who has said that? I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that.
That has never happened. I have never used outside my garage charges. My son plugs in when he goes to a restaurant or works out, It is called topping off. It gets you a better parking spot too. You are never low on charge.
Poor Nordy...
 
EVs get about 300 mi range.
:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: No they don't. I've already explained to you why this is countless times before.
Of course, you would create such a scenario. When Chevy made the Volt in 2013, they found a 50-mile range was good for 80 percent of car owners. 300 accommodates a far higher percentage. And the range keeps getting higher and charge time keeps dropping.
Only in your dreams, Nordy.
 
Production of new ICE vehicles should continue indefinitely based on market demand. EV's, likewise, should be produced based on market demand. Now, history shows that EV's might draw 5% of the market, give or take, and that's been true since about 1900. Governments in Europe are finding that their citizens feel the same way and don't want EV's forced on them either.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it.
Here is what Norway is doing. They are in Europe. https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/...knJflSUh-L4GpVLt6szrRb4UzWtLvy8hoC2OAQAvD_BwE
They embraced cleaner air and less general pollution.
 
Here is what Norway is doing. They are in Europe. https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/...knJflSUh-L4GpVLt6szrRb4UzWtLvy8hoC2OAQAvD_BwE
They embraced cleaner air and less general pollution.
No, Norway's government forced EV's on the population. They offered massive, costly, incentives to entice people to buy and drive one. At the same time, they slapped onerous taxes and other penalties on ICE vehicles to further disincentivize them.



Hell, even radical Leftist magazine Vox admits Norway fucked up going all EV


Then, if a Norwegian--or Swede--wants to take their car to mainland Europe, say to Denmark or Germany, have fun driving to Russia then back because the Baltic ferry system has banned EV's from their ships due to the fire hazard they present. The British and Greek ferry systems have followed suit.



 
No, Norway's government forced EV's on the population. They offered massive, costly, incentives to entice people to buy and drive one. At the same time, they slapped onerous taxes and other penalties on ICE vehicles to further disincentivize them.



Hell, even radical Leftist magazine Vox admits Norway fucked up going all EV


Then, if a Norwegian--or Swede--wants to take their car to mainland Europe, say to Denmark or Germany, have fun driving to Russia then back because the Baltic ferry system has banned EV's from their ships due to the fire hazard they present. The British and Greek ferry systems have followed suit.



They are not a fire hazard. They catch fire at 20 percent of the rate of ICEs. Norway's government is pleased with the transition. They hope more will take public transportation. Fewer vehicles would be beneficial.
 
They are not a fire hazard. They catch fire at 20 percent of the rate of ICEs. Norway's government is pleased with the transition. They hope more will take public transportation. Fewer vehicles would be beneficial.
Say what you want, they've been banned on ferries in Europe for all intents. Norway's government might be pleased, but it's clear the population isn't. They just tossed their government out for a more conservative one.


 
Say what you want, they've been banned on ferries in Europe for all intents. Norway's government might be pleased, but it's clear the population isn't. They just tossed their government out for a more conservative one.


Because The Ferry Company believes the same lies you do. Right wingers swim in a sea of lies trying to avoid the truth. Offering incentives is not forcing them to buy EVs.
 
Because The Ferry Company believes the same lies you do. Right wingers swim in a sea of lies trying to avoid the truth. Offering incentives is not forcing them to buy EVs.
Incentives, and disincentives for alternatives, are the equivalent of force if they are onerous enough, and in Norway's case that was exactly what happened.

Ferry companies saw vehicle fires from EV's on ships and the danger those posed and banned the cars as a result. It's likely their insurers were urging them to do so too. One EV fire was seen as sufficient to likely gut the ship and lead to its loss. The ship owners simply didn't need that risk, so they banned the vehicles.
 
Incentives, and disincentives for alternatives, are the equivalent of force if they are onerous enough, and in Norway's case that was exactly what happened.

Ferry companies saw vehicle fires from EV's on ships and the danger those posed and banned the cars as a result. It's likely their insurers were urging them to do so too. One EV fire was seen as sufficient to likely gut the ship and lead to its loss. The ship owners simply didn't need that risk, so they banned the vehicles.
You seem to have trouble with the facts. ICEs burn at a far greater percentage than EVs. It is not close.
 
Forty years ago there were no cell phone towers.

That appears to have been addressed.

The internal combustion engine automobile has given us over 130 years of service.
It did its job, and for the most part, did it very well.

I'm not super adept at driving a horse drawn carriage.
The next generation needn't know how to drive and maintain a gasoline motorcar.
It's simply time to move on.
Elon Musk will have this and the next generation flying around in spaceships to get wherever they want to go.
 
Did I say anything about that? The fact that EVs burn and are damn near impossible to put out is the issue, not their propensity to burn.
Changing the subject again. ICEs burn a lot more often and fire departments have learned how to handle them.
The fact is many ICEs cannot go 60,000 miles. There are terrible cars with engine troubles and transmissions breaking down .ICEs have been developed for a century and many are terrible. The Ford Eco Boost is trash. The Chrysler cars are horrible. There are transmission shops on every corner for a reason. There are muffler shops on every other corner.
 
Changing the subject again. ICEs burn a lot more often and fire departments have learned how to handle them.
Have fire departments "learned how to handle" EV fires?
The fact is many ICEs cannot go 60,000 miles.
????? I've NEVER seen an ICE that HASN'T gone 60,000 miles......................

My town car is pushing 70k miles now. My RAV4 is pushing 150k. They both have plenty of life left in them, and that's even in Wisconsin winters where we salt the piss out of our roads and it rusts out our vehicles rather quickly.

It's funny watching people from other areas of the nation look underneath a vehicle, see an extremely small rust spot, and act as if there's soooooo much rust underneath the vehicle and act like the vehicle is about to fall apart. In Wisconsin, we'd call such a vehicle "rust free" (or otherwise in very good shape).
There are terrible cars with engine troubles and transmissions breaking down .
There are also a shit ton of great cars with no engine or transmission troubles.
ICEs have been developed for a century and many are terrible.
Very few have been terrible. The vast majority have been quite fine. If I recall correctly, you STILL drive an ICE vehicle to this very day.
The Ford Eco Boost is trash.
I wouldn't know; I've never had a vehicle with that engine.
The Chrysler cars are horrible.
The people I know who have had Chrysler cars were generally happy with them.
There are transmission shops on every corner for a reason. There are muffler shops on every other corner.
No there aren't, and I've only ever had the one transmission issue in my RAV4 (torque converter) [it's a known issue in my year of RAV4] and I've never once had a muffler issue. I did have my exhaust pipe fall down to where it was dragging on the road, but I had that welded back on.
 
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