Ignorance and the Bible

Margot said:
Evil comes in many many forms, each case would have to be examined on its own merit.
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Ummm......so, like Justice Potter Stewart's, "I know it when I see it"?

A basic definition for me is "intentionally harming innocent people." As trickier definition would include "or out of neglect". That quickly gets into "am I my brother's keeper" questions. It's one thing to not be concerned about Ukraine or Gaza but it's another thing to walk past someone bleeding after an accident without calling 911.
 
Cypress said:
Good point.
Mutual cooperation is found across the animal world, and can be explained by Darwinian scientific principles.

I don't think Perlasca and Schindler had a better moral upbringing, or a more finely tuned moral sensibility than most people.

What they had was courage.

When the vast majority of people hear about what Oskar or Giorgio did, they agree wholeheartedly with it and commend it. But most people, even if they know absolute right from absolute wrong, are not able to be heroes.
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Courage can be seen as a combination of genetics and upbringing. I can see why atheists would be afraid to risk their skins for others. After all, when you're dead, you're dead. People with spiritual faith that there is more to existence than their own bag of skin seem more likely to take the risk.
 
Margot said:
But somehow the most self righteous fake Christian Evangical Republicans ,eat up his nonsense like he is their modern day Messiah!
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I believe they are using Trump as a means to an end just like he's using them to garner wealth and power.

The Evangelistas want to prepare the world for the Second Coming and are working hard to set up the conditions as prophesized in the Bible.
 
gmark77 said:
it was perfectly rational from a self-preservation position to save the Jews from being murdered.
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The actions of Schindler and Perlasca had nothing to do with their self-preservation. They would have been arrested, tortured, and executed if the Nazis caught the slightest wind of what they were doing. These Jews were strangers to them.

We learned in freshman biology that evolutionary biology has nothing to do with an individual saving his entire species. There is no evolutionary benefit to saving people outside your family or immediate community. The whole goal of evolution is to ensure your own individual genetic information is protected and propagated, even at the expense of strangers, rivals, weak and inferior people, and other members of the species.

That why evolution got dubbed 'survival of the fittest' in the popular lexicon.
 
Cypress said:
The actions of Schindler and Perlasca had nothing to do with their self-preservation.
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Are you sure about that? Is there literally no way it couldn't be part of a larger self-preservation strategy?

Are you sure about your answer?

Cypress said:
We learned in freshman biology that evolutionary biology has nothing to do with an individual saving his entire species.
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Thank you for acknowledging what I told you about population level topics vs individual level.

 
Cypress said:
The actions of Schindler and Perlasca had nothing to do with their self-preservation. They would have been arrested, tortured, and executed if the Nazis caught the slightest wind of what they were doing. These Jews were strangers to them.

We learned in freshman biology that evolutionary biology has nothing to do with an individual saving his entire species. There is no evolutionary benefit to saving people outside your family or immediate community. The whole goal of evolution is to ensure your own individual genetic information is protected and propagated, even at the expense of strangers, rivals, weak and inferior people, and other members of the species.

That why evolution got dubbed 'survival of the fittest' in the popular lexicon.
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Agreed. Their actions were at high risk to themselves. Something I've never seen an atheist do. Selflessness isn't in their DNA. LOL
 
gmark77 said:
Are you sure about that? Is there literally no way it couldn't be part of a larger self-preservation strategy?

Are you sure about your answer?



Thank you for acknowledging what I told you about population level topics vs individual level.
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You're making a religious argument that there is a moral obligation to save everyone in the human species, even complete strangers.

If you don't believe in objective morality and in the innate value of every human life, then a scientific Darwinian approach to life has no such requirement to save strangers,outsiders, foreigners.

A moral duty to save strangers and foreigners would have been a alien concept in the pre-Christian Greco-Roman world.

CS Lewis wrote that even atheists approach life from the perspective of moral law and objective values, even though they try to claim they are not.
 
Cypress said:
You're making a religious argument that there is a moral obligation to save everyone in the human species, even complete strangers.
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well.

you should at least abandon your Nazi mass murder techniques of intentional poverty, forever wars, and soft/hardkill bad health advice and murder shots.
Cypress said:
If you don't believe in objective morality and in the innate value of every human life, then a scientific Darwinian approach to life has no such requirement to save strangers,outsiders, foreigners.
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yes. those are the base creatures. humans are better.
Cypress said:
A moral duty to save strangers and foreigners would have been a alien concept in the pre-Christian Greco-Roman world.
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hence why evolution is better.
Cypress said:
CS Lewis wrote that even atheists approach life from the perspective of moral law and objective values, even though they try to claim they are not.
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not these days.
 
Cypress said:
You're making a religious argument that there is a moral obligation to save everyone in the human species, even complete strangers....

...CS Lewis wrote that even atheists approach life from the perspective of moral law and objective values, even though they try to claim they are not.
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Atheists cherry-pick, build strawman arguments then act superior for knocking them down.
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We're all products of our upbringing to a large extent. It varies from person to person, especially in regards to family background, education and IQ. Atheists can believe they are "above it all", but they are humans just like the rest of us.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I believe they are using Trump as a means to an end just like he's using them to garner wealth and power.

The Evangelistas want to prepare the world for the Second Coming and are working hard to set up the conditions as prophesized in the Bible.
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Evangical's true mission in their mind is to evangelize the Jews(or else) and take control of Israel.
 
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