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Cypress said:
Read the sermon on the mount. Jesus reinterpreted and expanded Torah to include a prohibition on hating or abusing even enemies or rivals.

Almost nobody on this board practices the Golden Rule. You can't be on this board for 30 minutes without being cussed at, demeaned, insulted.

That obviously means the Golden rule does not come naturally or easily to humans.

Adultery, theft, lying are routine in all human societies. It is only curbed by law enforcement or social sanction.

The distinction is that our conscience frequently tells us what we ought to do, but we choose to do what make us happy or feel good instead.
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Good for Jesus. But that’s not what the 10 Commandments meant when they were written.

Respect is earned, not given freely. The Golden Rule is passe. People should be treated how THEY wish to be treated, not how you personally want to be treated.
 
Yakuda said:
Why is punching an old lady in the face bad?
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Because we are social creatures who gain an evolutionary advantage (survival advantage) from stable social networks. That means that we can impose on each other an expectation of behavior that maintains stability and safety.

It's astoundingly easy to understand.
 
Cypress said:
ftfy. Nothing of what you wrote explains why assaulting people and stealing their property is objectively bad or evil - independent of opinion or cultural convention.

The Viking, Mongol, and Hun societies felt like they benefited greatly from taking the resources of strangers. A 'might makes right' cultural ethos has been practiced by human societies far more frequently than a charitable universal-love ethos.

What you're doing is trying to smuggle in a religious ethos to your personal zeitgeist.

It would be far more honest to say you are a moral relativist. There's nothing inherently wrong with admitting that. Lots of people believe in moral relativism.
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They also didn't steal from each other without consequences.

Even the Vikings punished those (quite severely!) that stole from other Vikings.

Now you try to justify Viking raids as 'beneficial' for the English?
 
Cypress said:
ftfy. You're literally the only person in the history of JPP to butt into the conversation of two other posters and get agitated because one of them mentioned the Greek playwrights.

ftfy. Not only that, but you plagiarize without citation.

I have never said I don't ever use Google for source citations. Out of my 70k posts, you found 15 examples, and they are almost always because I'm providing an independent unbiased source to posters who won't believe what I state, or to kick off a thread topic with an independent description of the subject.
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JPP is not a personal message board. If you want to send PMs, there is a facility for that, but this thread is not a PM service.
 
Cypress said:
Read the sermon on the mount. Jesus reinterpreted and expanded Torah to include a prohibition on hating or abusing even enemies or rivals.

Almost nobody on this board practices the Golden Rule. You can't be on this board for 30 minutes without being cussed at, demeaned, insulted.

That obviously means the Golden rule does not come naturally or easily to humans.

Adultery, theft, lying are routine in all human societies. It is only curbed by law enforcement or social sanction.

The distinction is that our conscience frequently tells us what we ought to do, but we choose to do what make us happy or feel good instead.
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If someone is cussed at someone, the Golden Rule still applies. They will get cussed at.
 
Cypress said:
I'm confident that if you were forced to choose live under the rule of Nazi Germany or the American government of 2025, it would take you less than a nanosecond to understand our values are superior to the Third Reich.
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Uhhh, hey, Einstein, Adolf Hitler OFTEN relied on his nominal CATHOLIC FAITH to justify his hatred of the Jews when he gave speeches. You can even find in on Google AI if you try.

Ergo the kind of supernatural morality you prefer is actually the worse morality. It clearly allows for horrible things. It has no reality behind it and can't be questioned.

Dont' believe me? Just read your Bible. 1 Sam15:3 is a good place to start if you like God-ordained Genocide and murder of innocents.
 
Cypress said:
Trump never goes to church and never associates with religious people unless it's for partisan political advantage.

You judge people by their actions, not their words, just like I do.

You call Trump a fascist even though he has never called himself that.
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I judge by behavior. Unless you refute Jesus, he said do not judge whether others have a proper relation to god.
 
domer76 said:
Good for Jesus. But that’s not what the 10 Commandments meant when they were written.
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Thanks for acknowledging that Christianity uniquely established a standard of universal love, and the doctrine that all humans have innate value even if they are enemies and rivals.

For a while there, you were attempting to claim there was nothing unique about Christian ethics, they were just common sense that everyone naturally practiced.

Now, we've actually established that the norm in human history is a 'might makes right' ethos - taking resources from the weak and from rivals, lying, adultery, and theft is completely routine in human nature.
domer76 said:
The Golden Rule is passe.
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Again we are demonstrating here that the Christian ethos is not just common sense that everyone would just naturally practice. Almost nobody on this board practices the Golden rule. The New Testament ethos is a standard that is exceedingly hard to live up to, even if we want to keep it as an aspirational goal to shoot for.

I'm not saying the Christian ethos is necessarily superior to any other ethical system. But it would be honest for us to acknowledge that after 2,000 years of western civilization we have smuggled in a New Testament ethos into our standard of what is right and wrong, even if we aren't religious.
 
Cypress said:
I'm not saying the Christian ethos is necessarily superior to any other ethical system. But it would be honest for us to acknowledge that after 2,000 years we have smuggled in a New Testament ethos into our standard of what is right and wrong, even if we aren't religious.
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Don't kill, don't steal. Pretty much basis of every society in history. Nothing exclusive to Christianity.
 
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