Hegseth issues an illegal order.

Truth Detector said:
That there is some report. It was a news story. Learn the difference. In addition, you're pretending that the story has facts and that the military is acting on illegal orders.

So because you are a brainless dumbass, I will give you what the facts are. The FACT is we do not know what occurred. We do not know what the situation was. We don't even know who made the decision, if any of the claims are true, to fire on the craft.

What we do know is that brainless dumbasses on the left with severe TDS are trying to pretend that this news story contains the facts and nothing but the facts so help you God and that Trump is issuing illegal orders damnit! Those Senators were just trying to warn our service men and women dontchyaknow.
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So you're against them investigating the report of alleged unlawful orders? Because Trump?
 
Damocles said:
You told me, "They can't catch up to them, they're too fast."

I pointed out that our planes, and quite a few military boats, can absolutely do that then mocked your inane comment. We can absolutely do better than blowing up boats we "suspect" of something.
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Agreed. There's also different means of disabling the boats to minimize casualties or even blinding the pilots with range-finding radar.

Regardless, the complete lack of evidence that any of those boats carried drugs is disturbing. Zero fucking evidence. The drug runners I've known about wrap their product in rubber sheeting to keep them dry and so that they float. This allows boats to go to a drop point, kick out product with a tracker then leave, only to have a US "fishing boat" go out and pick them up.
 
Truth Detector said:
See my math question above. Then use your brain to figure out what the reality is. ;)
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Try again. Either we can catch up and blow them up, or it's "impossible" because something that goes what you say is 50+ knots, but in reality cannot sustain that speed for long periods, just is "too fast" to do anything other than blow up....

I say, we can make boats that go that fast and do... We have the resources of the richest nation in the world at our disposal, we can do better than this...
 
Damocles said:
Yet we blow them up from aircraft...
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Yep, an aircraft, say a slow-moving helicopter, can still travel over 200 knots which far exceeds what these boats can do. They also can fly high enough to spot these craft from a great distance.

Not so much with a surface vessel. So work out the math problem I gave you and try using some intelligence to sort out why they are being blown out of the water.

Now, if your argument is that we should not be doing that and that it is somehow illegal, we can have that debate. But the notion that you can interdict these vessels or that these terrorists are not armed, that is absurd in the extreme.

Damocles said:
Can we understand that your argument is that there is no other way to deal with these than just blowing them up because those boats are fast?
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I am all eyes and ears. What is your better way?

Damocles said:
We catch up to them in order to blow them up... This is my point.
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Why do you keep saying "catch up to them?" We aren't catching up to them. That's the point.

Damocles said:
It isn't even difficult to understand. You, however are inept at interpreting sarcastic wit.
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Apparently basic concepts of space, time and speed are to you. I don't know why. :palm:
 
AProudLefty said:
So you're against them investigating the report of alleged unlawful orders? Because Trump?
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Did I say I was against them investigating a news story?

Again, what alleged unlawful orders? Cite the law you speak of.

Everything is about Trump in the empty spaces that reside between leftist ears. :palm:
 
Truth Detector said:
Did I say I was against them investigating a news story?

Again, what alleged unlawful orders? Cite the law you speak of.

Everything is about Trump in the empty spaces that reside between leftist ears. :palm:
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Already explained. The unlawful order was ordering to kill the remaining survivors.

And this isn't about Trump. It's about Hegseth.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. There's also different means of disabling the boats to minimize casualties or even blinding the pilots with range-finding radar.
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Stupid. So then what happens? We board fly some marines to the location and board the boats? Moron.

Dutch Uncle said:
Regardless, the complete lack of evidence that any of those boats carried drugs is disturbing. Zero fucking evidence.
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There you go making stupid shit up as you go. So tell me einstein; what is the purpose of a boat designed to travel at high speeds over the open ocean? You think they are fishing? Moron.

Dutch Uncle said:
The drug runners I've known about wrap their product in rubber sheeting to keep them dry and so that they float. This allows boats to go to a drop point, kick out product with a tracker then leave, only to have a US "fishing boat" go out and pick them up.
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:lolup: Mentally unstable halfwit thinks he knows all about how to smuggle drugs. :laugh:
 
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Damocles said:
Try again. Either we can catch up and blow them up, or it's "impossible" because something that goes what you say is 50+ knots, but in reality cannot sustain that speed for long periods, just is "too fast" to do anything other than blow up....

I say, we can make boats that go that fast and do... We have the resources of the richest nation in the world at our disposal, we can do better than this...
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Reapers and hellfire missiles can outrun all land or sea vehicles.

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Range: 1,200 mi (1,900 km, 1,000 nmi)
Endurance: 27 hr[307]
Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,420 m)
Operational altitude: 25,000 ft (7.5 km)[308

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Damocles said:
Try again. Either we can catch up and blow them up, or it's "impossible" because something that goes what you say is 50+ knots, but in reality cannot sustain that speed for long periods, just is "too fast" to do anything other than blow up....
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Now your being purposefully obtuse and making stupid shit up. But I get it, rather than explain something that would be more believable, it's easier to just make shit up. ;)

Damocles said:
I say, we can make boats that go that fast and do...
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Yet you ignore the reality that unless they just happen to be on a direct interception course, they won't see or catch the drug boats. DUH!

Damocles said:
We have the resources of the richest nation in the world at our disposal, we can do better than this...
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Like what? What is better in your confused mind? I keep asking but all I seem to get is conjecture and fabricated nonsense.

Another question, do you believe that these criminal drug smuggling thugs are not armed?
 
AProudLefty said:
Already explained. The unlawful order was ordering to kill the remaining survivors.
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I am asking you to cite the exact law you are referring to.

When Obama killed US citizens and terrorists in the ME with drone missiles, was that an illegal order? Why wasn't there any shrill outcry from the left then?

AProudLefty said:
And this isn't about Trump. It's about Hegseth.
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No, it's about Trump. You're just another dishonest flailing leftist dumbass who thinks everyone can be as stupid and gullible as you are. :palm:
 
Jarod said:
I wonder about the SOL, if a Democrat gets elected in three years, seems a prosecution could take place then...
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I put it at zero percent chance that Trump does not give a blanket Pardon to 'everyone who served in his Admin and on his campaign team'. Just a huge sweeping pardon in the way he did with Jan6 criminals.

Trump could maybe have a sudden health event that would knock him out of the office and not allow him to do it but then JD Vance would do it. JD might even start with it as the big coming battle amongst those who want to be the next POTUS candidate for the republicans is who can find a way to hold on the magat part of the base and keep those low turnout voters showing up. So far they tend to only show up when Trump is on the ballet.

That is exactly why McCarthy and McConnell verbalized support for Trump after they first pointed out that the Jan6th riots were criminal and Trump could be held accountable for them.

They did truly want Trump gone, and they hoped the new Dem AG would prosecute him and rid the party of him, but they never imagined a person as weak as Merrick Garland in the position as they just imagined what Bill Barr would have done to Obama or Biden in that spot.

What they wanted was for the Dem's to take Trump down while they screamed how unfair it was and as they 'fought for Trump', as the Trump base would never accept anyone who sides with him being out. So the leadership had to play along and fight the Dems while hoping the Dems succeeded.
 
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