So, your idea of the infinite is wrong.
Who gets into heaven
- Thread starter Cypress
- Start date
As I have said, none of that is true or rational.
A universe uncreated is not "infinite" in your sense, just something that always existed.
That's the same as claiming the universe is infinitely old, which is logically incoherent and unintelligible. Today would never have arrived here if we had to traverse an infinite amount of time before we got to 'right now'.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
How are we doing on the "prove God doesn't exist" thing?
Is there a point?
Denomination % Who believe non-Christian religions can lead to heaven/salvation Catholics 61% Mainline Protestants 56% Historically black churches 40% Evangelicals 23%
U.S.: 60% of Christians believe other faiths also lead to heaven
A Pew Research survey finds that a large majority of Americans believe in the existence of hell, while only four in ten Catholics and Protestants believe the Christian faith is the only way. A new Pew Research survey found that 73 per cent of United States adults believe in heaven, while 62 per...www.chvnradio.com
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Incorrect. You are logically inept. Ask me how I know you are a typical leftist.
The statement "The universe is infinitely old" is perfectly clear. Either it is or it isn't; that's how boolean values work. Explain how you somehow see "incoherence.". Can you not read?
Aaaah, you don't read English.
Who is this "we" you are saying would have had to have traversed an infinite amount of time?
Crepitus
Verified User
YOu don't prove negatives, Son.
Easy.
Counting to infinity is incoherent because infinity is uncountable.
Stating that the universe is infinitely old is incoherent because traversing an uncountable infinite amount of time to arrive at today is irrational.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
You suck at math. Ask me how I know.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Then please don't get it so miserably wrong ...
1. This is the first mention of any counting, and it was injected by you. The Theory of the Continuum does not involve any counting whatsoever.
2. There are two types of "infinite": 1. countably infinite (denumerable) and 2. uncountably infinite (nondenumerable).
The integers, i.e. something you can count, are infinite ... and are thus countably infinite.
Let me know if there is any other math that you would like me to teach you.
You just stated it AGAIN very coherently.
You are repackaging Zeno's paradox, which is a fallacy. Obviously in an infinitely old universe, it will be a particular point in time. You would be there saying "Today cannot be today because the universe is infinitely old" ... and everyone would mock you.
Crepitus
Verified User
This isn't math, Son.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Yes, it is. Remember, you don't understand it, so don't expect to recognize it.
So, you haven't proven that God doesn't exist, and you are hoping someone else does your work for you, yes? You were hoping someone else would assume your burden of support. I see.
Guess who lost this debate. I'll give you three guesses.
Crepitus
Verified User
No, it's not.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Too funny! Meaning, no, you haven't.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
When were you "saved"?
Frantic Googling without citation to source 
If you're going to frantically Google without citation at least get it right.
Zeno's paradox is based on the idea of a convergent series of fractions. Convergent series resolve to a finite mathematical answer.
An infinite divergent series is without finite boundary and is uncountable.
If the universe were eternal and infinitely old, today would have never gotten here, because you cannot traverse an infinite, uncountable amount of time to somehow finally arrive at today. It's logically incoherent.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Do you really need a citation? Fine. My memory.
Incorrect. Zeno's paradox is a fallacy; it is not a solution.that is "based" on anything.
If you're going to frantically Google without citation at least get it right.
Zeno's paradox describes a convergent series, not a divergent one.
Incorrect. The integers are countable and infinite, as an example.
You are mindlessly chanting someone else's error. I already refuted this. Either get something new or tip your king.
When did this suddenly become about me and my inability to traverse infinite time?
Already refuted.
You expressed it coherently AGAIN.