They claim the American left don’t believe in God.

Cypress said:
See, I don't buy that. I don't buy that Trump is completely impartial and neutral about it.
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I didn't say he was. I said he doesn't give a shit about religion. He might concern himself with it to the extent it buys him something or makes him money, but beyond that he doesn't care about it.
Cypress said:
Anyone who grew up in Western civilization has spent substantial time thinking about religion and whether life, the universe, and everything ultimately means anything.
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Well, that's about as empty a statement as you could make.
Cypress said:
Trump has spent an entire lifetime engaged in serial adultery, lying, cheating, treating other humans as commodities, and indulging in hate, retribution, avarice, hubris, malice.
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Your TDS has reached the terminal stage.
 
Damocles said:
Drunkenly and without understanding the underlying context?
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Drunken Irishmen I get, but celebrating the patron saint of Ireland? I doubt most Americans know the shamrock was St. Patrick's way of teaching the Holy Trinity to Irish Celts?

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Dutch Uncle said:
Drunken Irishmen I get, but celebrating the patron saint of Ireland? I doubt most Americans know the shamrock was St. Patrick's way of teaching the Holy Trinity to Irish Celts?

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He says he celebrates other holidays like he celebrates St. Patrick's Day. Therefore I asked the obvious question.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Exactly. He has great appeal to CINOs like those in this thread for that reason. They see nothing wrong in monetizing Christ and using religion as a bludgeon against others.
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There is not a single MAGAt on JPP who conducts themselves in a Christian manner. Not one, not ever. Sad.

This might explain why all of them are so angry; they know they will burn in Hell along with their Pedo King.

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Dutch Uncle said:
Cinco de Mayo is a bigger holiday in the US than in Mexico. Such holidays are highly commercialized to sell liquor and food.
Same for Memorial Day, Labor Day and the Fourth of July. God bless America! :flagsal:
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Well, Independence Day is literally a US holiday, as well as the other two. Cinco de Mayo is not celebrated at all in Mexico. That's a Mexican-American holiday, like Kwanzaa and African-Americans... Though the food is way better at Cinco de Mayo... (Also at Juneteenth, Kwanzaa is not a "food holiday" in the way you get street vendors, etc. on Juneteenth)...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I said he doesn't give a shit about religion.
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It's more than just that.

By the way he has purposefully chosen to live a shockingly morally corrupt life, he thinks the religious beliefs of penance, judgment, and ultimate justice are total bullshit. He's not buying it. He does not think there is ultimately any accountability or price to be paid for living his thoroughly corrupt and immoral life.
 
Ross Dolan said:
There is another alternative to what you suggested in your last paragraph, QP...and it has terrific advantages over what you propose. And that is not to use the descriptor...but rather to actually write out your position on the matter in clear language. That not only eliminates the problem with the multiple definitions...it eliminates the problem of misrepresenting one's position.

Here, once again, is mine:

I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things.

(When I use the word "GOD or gods" here, I mean "The entity (or entities) responsible for the creation of what we humans call 'the physical universe'...IF SUCH AN ENTITY OR ENTITIES ACTUALLY EXIST.)

Most people reading that would deem it an agnostic position. But at least one of the "definitions" of "atheist" would cause some people to call it an atheistic position. The word, as a descriptor, is useless.

So I would ask you two questions:

1) How do you describe your position on the issue?

2) What, specifically, do you disagree with about mine?
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- I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;

- I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible as there is no foundation for that;

- I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence; (not sure you wrote this as intended but if yes i agree. I also see no reason to believe even one God exists)

- I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things. (only in one instance are you meaningfully registering a "guess". Few would call it a "Guess" to say a lack of belief in a spaghetti monster, where heaven is a pile of pasta with meatballs', is a 'guess' as most simply ' have not formed a view on that, or any of the infinite such numbers of situations i could present. So we do not "guess" on the infinite possibilities. We just hold no view. So i would say instead 'Guessing that god exists (or Xeno) is baseless and without foundation and thus has no meaningful value beyond what the individual imparts on it' Once there is proof or facts presented we can revisit and revise based on those.'
 
Damocles said:
Well, Independence Day is literally a US holiday, as well as the other two. Cinco de Mayo is not celebrated at all in Mexico. That's a Mexican-American holiday, like Kwanzaa and African-Americans... Though the food is way better at Cinco de Mayo... (Also at Juneteenth, Kwanzaa is not a "food holiday" in the way you get street vendors, etc. on Juneteenth)...
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Agreed, but do you really think most people are celebrating our Independence or simply using it as an excuse to party? Agreed on the food. Irish food is only slightly better than what passes as food in merry old England. Juneteenth and MLK's birthday are being quashed by the White Nationalists even though the MAGAts are pushing to make Trump's birthday a federal holiday and making his birthday a free day in national parks.

Trump used Juneteenth to denounce ‘nonworking holidays.’ Some political observers say it wasn’t a coincidence​

For social justice activist Glenn Harris, President Donald Trump’s statement on Juneteenth, arguing there are “too many nonworking holidays in America” costing the country “billions of dollars,” was no surprise.

Harris said the comments coming on the federal holiday commemorating the end of slavery in the United States were consistent with Trump’s most recent policies and practices working against people of color.

“In many ways it’s just a continuation of this administration’s attempt to erase the civil rights, free speech and literally the history of Black and brown people,” said Harris, who is president of Race Forward.

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National Parks Drop Free Entrance on M.L.K. Day and Juneteenth​

Visitors will instead get free entry on President Trump’s birthday, which coincides with Flag Day.

The National Park Service will cut Martin Luther King’s Birthday and Juneteenth, two holidays honoring Black history, from its list of free entrance days next year.

Visitors will instead get free entry on June 14, which is both Flag Day and President Trump’s birthday.

The changes follow previous moves by the Trump administration to take down materials mentioning slavery at national parks and come as part of a broader effort by the White House to erase or play down Black history at government sites.

The Interior Department, which oversees the park service, said in a news release that the changes reflected the administration’s “commitment to making national parks more accessible, more affordable and more efficient for the American people.”

Derrick Johnson, the chief executive of the N.A.A.C.P., said in a statement that removing dates recognizing Black history was part of an effort “to distract and divide us by undermining progress attributed to the Black community.”
 
QP! said:
- I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not;

- I see no reason to suspect that gods cannot exist…that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible as there is no foundation for that;
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There is more than adequate foundation for the fact that...

1) I do not know if any GOD (or gods) exist or not (I guarantee I do no know)
2) I see no reason to suspect that gods CANNOT exist (I guarantee I see no reason) (Not sure why you changed that, but don't do that. I said what I mean.)
3) I do not see any reason to suspect that the existence of a GOD or gods is impossible. (If you do...let's discuss that.)


QP! said:
- I see no reason to suspect that at least one GOD must exist...that the existence of at least one GOD is needed to explain existence; (not sure you wrote this as intended but if yes i agree. I also see no reason to believe even one God exists)
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I wrote it exactly as I intended...and of course you agree.

QP! said:
- I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction on whether any gods exist or not...nor do I see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess about which is more likely…so I do not guess on either of those things. (only in one instance are you meaningfully registering a "guess". Few would call it a "Guess" to say a lack of belief in a spaghetti monster, where heaven is a pile of pasta with meatballs', is a 'guess' as most simply ' have not formed a view on that, or any of the infinite such numbers of situations i could present. So we do not "guess" on the infinite possibilities. We just hold no view. So i would say instead 'Guessing that god exists (or Xeno) is baseless and without foundation and thus has no meaningful value beyond what the individual imparts on it' Once there is proof or facts presented we can revisit and revise based on those.'
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That is nonsense.

We are talking about whether a God or gods exist. Save that other crap for a different discussion. When the subject is whether a God or gods exist...anyone asserting a "YES" or "No" is making a blind guess. When the subject is whether it is more probable that one or the other is the REALITY...any assertion in either direction is a blind guess. If you think otherwise...show me your work...the math.

If you want later to discuss Spaghetti Monsters or Meatballs...we can do that in a different thread.
 
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