If God were real, you wouldn’t need a book
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Strange attractors are not equations, dummy. They are a type of fractal, which imply that even in seemingly chaotic, unpredictable physical systems there is some type of a hidden underlying layer of order.
gfm7175
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RQAA. Stop asking the same question that multiple people have already answered.
gfm7175
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A "serial killer" doesn't provide multiple ways out of said killing, as God did, and isn't as patient as God was.
ZenMode
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With a straight face you type such nonsense.
gfm7175
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That's not the universe.
The question on the table is whether the universe is totally random, disorganized, unpredictable, or whether it's lawful, rationally organized, predictable.
Since the past, present, and future state of matter, spacetime, and energy can be predicted and represented mathematically, in principle the universe is intelligible, rational, predictable given the right amount of data and information.
The universe being discussed in this thread is the physical universe. We are not including biology, the origin of life, human values, providence, ideas, morals, or aesthetics.
gfm7175
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You keep focusing on stuff that ISN'T the universe while pretending that you're actually talking about the universe.
IBDumbass tries to claim the universe is totally disorganized, disorderly, and purely random...
...even though given the right amount of information we can use math to predict arbitrarily far into the future and the past the precise trajectory, position, and momentum of planets, stars, galaxies, comets, asteroids. Because they are imbued with mathematical laws and principles.
Explain precisely how matter, spacetime, and energy is "not" the universe
gfm7175
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With a straight face I type the truth.
ZenMode
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Oh, I know. The fact that you defend such behavior is the pathetic part.
So, in your mind, it's ok for your god to kill a country full of children as long as he gives "them" a way out?
What does it mean to give a 2 week old or 2 year old "a way out"?
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Into the Night
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The Universe is not random equations. Redefinition fallacy.
Into the Night
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The Universe is not randomly posted equations. The Universe is unorganized.
The Universe is not a prediction. The Universe is not mathematics. The Universe is unorganized.
There is only one Universe.
The Universe is not a point in time.
The Universe is not 'values'.
The Universe is not 'ideas'.
The Universe is not 'morals'.
The Universe is not 'asthetics'.
The Universe is unorganized.
Into the Night
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The Universe is not random equations.
Strange attractors are not equations, dummy. They are a type of fractal, which imply that even in seemingly chaotic, unpredictable physical systems there is some type of a hidden underlying layer of order.
The Universe is not your paradox.
Into the Night
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It's not a question. The Universe is unorganized. The Universe is not mathematics. The Universe is not a 'prediction'.
The Universe is not a point in time. The Universe is not a 'prediction'. The Universe is not random equations. The Universe is not an intelligence. The Universe is not data. The Universe is not information.
Into the Night
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The Universe is not 'spacetime'. The Universe is not a point in time. The Universe is not random equations. The Universe is unogranized.
Into the Night
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RQAA
gfm7175
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Ummm, I don't defend Pharaoh's behavior. What he did during that time period was wrong.
RQAA, but I'll go through some relevant info again for anyone who hasn't followed along.
1- Pharaoh (Egypt) had earlier ordered all Israelite newborn males be killed. (See Exodus 1 for details)
2- God repeatedly warned Pharaoh what would happen if he kept refusing to let the Israelites go free.
3- God was very patient with Pharaoh, giving him multiple chances to avoid the consequences.
4- God only spared the Israelite firstborns so long as they had faith in him and put lamb's blood on their doorposts. (IOW, they likewise had to obey or face the consequences)
5- God acted consistently with his Genesis 12 covenant.
6- It did not pleasure God for the Egyptian firstborns to die, but the continued misbehavior by Pharaoh (Egypt) left him no choice but to respond appropriately (since he is a JUST God).
7- "Firstborn" does not necessarily mean "child" (or "infant/toddler").
8- Some Egyptians chose to fear the word of the LORD and did as he said, so they were likewise spared from the warned plague(s). (e.g. Exodus 9)
9- How could a "just"/"righteous" God turn a blind eye on the oppression of the Israelites?
10- There are many other accounts in The Bible where God is likewise "just" towards the Israelites whenever THEY sin.
11- "For the wages of sin is death" (but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our LORD).
A "firstborn" isn't necessarily a "2 week old" or a "2 year old".
Young children of only a few years old are already old enough to understand the concept of "If you don't do this thing that I told you to do, then this other thing will happen as a result of your misconduct".