You hit the nail right on the head. The only thing they need for the resolve to fight us is our being there and killing them. Like I said, if were worried about winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people then were making the same fuck ups we made in Vietnam and it's time to get out.
LOL! Yea and these are the same guys who brought down the Soviet Empire using guerrilla tactics. I have a sneaky hunch that a golden shower isn't going to evoke much more of a response then "Oh yea? Fuck you too!"
Hello Soc! We lost Vietnam using that strategy.
That's because you take my antipathy for the far right as indication that I'm a partisan liberal. I am not. I am right of center on my politics leaning towards conservatism, (not radicalism nor a reactionary) fiscally. I'm an unabashed social liberal because history has spoken and it has won and social conservatism has lost.
Agreed! War is a terrible instrument of policy and we cannot be blind to it's horrible consequences but keep in mind it was our enemies in Afghanistan who chose war and violence as an agency of policy and now we have a direct interest in changing their policy to protect our people from a clear and present danger, which means killing their enemy soldiers who would kill us. Yes that is terrible and as Gen. Sherman said "You cannot refine it". I'm reasonably sure that Taliban fighters have with out a doubt committed barbaric acts on dead American soldiers they have killed. The only difference was they didn't video it and post it on Youtube.
None. They were all Saudi's but I fail to see your point. That group of terrorist (Al Qaeda) had recieved material aid and sanction by the Taliban party who was ruling Afghanistan. That made them a material participant in the act and a clear and present danger to our national security. I'm not calling them Terrorist. I'm calling them the legitimate government of Afghanistan (at that time) who comitted an act of war against the US. Whether or not our mission to remove them from power is over and we are now engaged in nation building is a completely different topic. Whether we are fighting an open ended war against some poorly defined group called "terrorist" is a different topic for debate. What is not a topic for depbate is that in 2001 the Government of Afghanistan represented by the Taliban was complicit in the worst act of terrorism in our nations history and represented a clear and present danger to our national security which justified our going to war with them.
Like fuck I do. There's a huge difference between Afghanistan and Iraq. Iraq was an immoral act of aggression against a nation that was of little military threat to our nation nor was it a clear and present danger to our national security. Afhganistan is different. Their government, under the Taliban, committed an act of war against our nation and we went to war with them. When we go to war, we should have clearly defined objectives and we should accomplish those objectives then leave. That was the lesson of Vietnam. Under that fuck up Bush and his immoral Iraq war the mission in Afghanistan has become confused and has lost focus. With that being the case Obama is in the moral imperative to reduce our commitment there and end it. Hell he should have done it a lot sooner. We need to get our asses out of Afghanistan. I won't argue that. But it was the Afghanies under the Taliban that went to war with us, not the other way around and I won't forget that for a minute.