Should people get a hearing before being deported? Due Process.
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Not illegal aliens.
“All persons”
T. A. Gardner
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I understand due process just fine. If you want to come into the US and are a foreign citizen, there's a process. Due process is going through that to be admitted to the US. The US didn't get their due process because Abrego Garcia entered the US ILLEGALLY.
Once here, he repeatedly broke our laws and ignored due process when caught for those crimes, even minor ones like traffic tickets. There's a legal process you go through to deal with those and he flaunted it.
Then he was brought to court for being in the US illegally, and got his due process for that. The court found he belonged to MS 13, a gang and now terrorist organization, and was in the US illegally. He was ordered deported.
Only at that point, never before, did he suddenly discover that being sent back to El Salvador, his nation of origin and of which he's a citizen, did he start making claims of asylum and reasons that he shouldn't be deported there. Another judge granted him a stay on deportation.
Now, retards and morons, like you, are saying he should be brought back to the US and allowed yet another chance to stay in the US and not be deported by getting an additional day in court. But should that happen, the likelihood--other than the judge ignoring due process and the law--is he will be ordered deported once more for being a designated terrorist, repeat offender, wife beater, and general thug.
That he will end up in CECOT is no reason whatsoever to allow him to stay in the US.
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Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
Cupcake, if an American president ever declared ME deportable, a LOT of stuff has gone horribly wrong, and I probably wouldn't want to be here anyway.
Sometimes process goes overdue and never looks back.
Fuck you fake lawyer and your pity party for criminals.
What is really wrong with you people?
It is so much worse. Before taking office, Trump set up a prison system in El Salvador to bypass our justice system. That is wrong in so many ways. Trumpys do not care about his ignoring judicial and Constitutional systems and laws. That shows how much they care about America. Not much. They want the dictator to be in charge.
volsrocks
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75% of deportations under the Obama administration (2009–2017) were nonjudicial removals,,,,No hearing
ZenMode
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From a Reagan appointed judge
‘Shocking to the sense of liberty Americans hold dear’: the impassioned US court order in the Ábrego García case
Judges on the US court of appeals for the fourth circuit issued a memorable call for the return of Kilmar Ábrego García and the separation of government powers. Here is the text
Upon review of the government’s motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive’s robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court’s recent decision.
It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or “mistakenly” deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong, right?
The Supreme Court’s decision remains, as always, our guidepost. That decision rightly requires the lower federal courts to give “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs”. That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed from public view. It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcia’s return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in accordance with the Supreme Court’s decision should extend a genuine deference. That decision struck a balance that does not permit lower courts to leave Article II by the wayside.
www.theguardian.com
‘Shocking to the sense of liberty Americans hold dear’: the impassioned US court order in the Ábrego García case
Judges on the US court of appeals for the fourth circuit issued a memorable call for the return of Kilmar Ábrego García and the separation of government powers. Here is the text
Upon review of the government’s motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive’s robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court’s recent decision.
It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.
This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.
The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13. Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process. If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or “mistakenly” deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong, right?
The Supreme Court’s decision remains, as always, our guidepost. That decision rightly requires the lower federal courts to give “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs”. That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed from public view. It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcia’s return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in accordance with the Supreme Court’s decision should extend a genuine deference. That decision struck a balance that does not permit lower courts to leave Article II by the wayside.
‘Shocking to the sense of liberty Americans hold dear’: the impassioned US court order in the Ábrego García case
Judges issued a memorable call for the return of Kilmar Ábrego García and the separation of government powers. Here is the text
www.theguardian.com
Tahiti is part of France, and I doubt France would take you.
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
I figure it would be worth a shot, after all, we are all living here in jarod land and I guess under his constitution, he can deport Americans to ...where? He's describing a pogrom, not deportation.
What trump is doing seems more like pogroms than deportations.
Indeed.
It’s the far left Democratic loons who support pogram
You support violent illegal gang members who are terrorists and wife beaters,Rarely Right Walter.
it’s the far left Democratic loons who support pograms against Jewish students.
You support violent illegal gang members who are terrorists and wife beaters,Rarely Right Walter.
T. A. Gardner
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Do you even know what the word pogrom means?
I reassure you that I know what it means more than you do.
T. A. Gardner
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Your assurances are about as valid as a Snake Farm insurance policy.
Callinectes
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Into the Night
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Blatant lie (denial). You're bullshitting again, Sybil. DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!