Should people get a hearing before being deported? Due Process.

[Into the Night]

They do not care about the Constitution, never did.

You are describing yourself again, Pretender. Inversion fallacy. Don't try to hide behind the Constitution you despise.

 

[Into the Night]

Years earlier, and judge said not to El Salvador, should have had an updated hearing. Like from within a year…

Stop making shit up, Pretender.

 

[Into the Night]

how many years ago?

Irrelevant.

 

[Into the Night]

That does not give him the right to deport people without due process.

Yes it does, Pretender.

Even the Supreme Court agreed yesterday.

Stop making shit up, Pretender.

If you allow the president, the right to deport people who he says are illegal, solely on his word, we are not a free country.

We are a free country BECAUSE the President has exactly this authority.

Anyone can be called illegal by a single person.

That's right, Pretender. A single judge, magistrate, or just stopping them at the border and deporting them.

Tax dollars are being used to incarcerated people who have been convicted of the crime.

And well spent, Pretender.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course they should, the text as written does not specify 'only american citizens' (Which itself wouldn't work as you can't prove they're not a citizen unless due process has been involved), but rather ANY PERSON.

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

This isn't in question to anyone with a working brain. Sadly MAGA is not known for having working brains, or caring about the Constitution and Bill of Rights when it comes to anyone other than their whore selves.


I'm all for deporting piece of shit criminal gangbangers. But due process is required for each and every one to prove they are that, and that they should be deported.

No life, liberty, or property has been deprived by the United States, moron. He was deported.

Don't try to hide behind the Constitution you despise.

 

[Into the Night]

nope. He wants to tell others to shoot and torture people. He does not have to do it himself.
The point of his shooting remark was that no matter what he does, his followers will stay. You guys are proving that . In 100 days of breaking rules, torturing people, firing people for fun, wrecking our economy and threatening the world economy out of his stubborn stupidity, and there you are standing in line with other Trumpys.
Everything will not be fine, unless he changes. That is not likely.

I must really such to be so paranoid, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

You flatter Biden. He was no con man, or genius at anything. He was just a lifelong public servant who tried to do his best for Americans.

Treason is not what is best for the United States.

Biden committed treason by providing the enemy with weapons and supplies in time of war.
Biden committed treason by calling for civil war against citizens of the United States.
Biden committed treason by inviting invasion of the United States.
Biden committed treason by espionage.

 

[Into the Night]

Why was he booted from office…by his own party?

Because it became blaringly obvious that Biden could not beat Trump, or even keep track of what was happening around him.

His intentionally open borders harmed many Americans. Ask the mother of Laken Riley and many others.

That it did, but that is not the reason the Democrats 'put him out to pasture'.

His misuse of his position in government to profit himself and his family (bribery) was cause for impeachment but the Democrats in the Senate would never have voted to convict the grifter.

Treason, however, is still a crime. It has no expiration date. Biden is still liable for the acts of treason he committed, and because Obama was pulling the strings on this Puppet, is just as liable.

 

[Into the Night]

I guess it doesn't occur to Earl that due process is what establishes the guy is (or isn't) a terrorist before you deport him for being one. Earl, on the other hand, is happy to take a government official's word for it provided it's his kind of government official.

It was already done, Marty...TWICE.

 

[Into the Night]

“All persons”

Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

It is so much worse. Before taking office, Trump set up a prison system in El Salvador to bypass our justice system.

It doesn't bypass anything, Sybil.

That is wrong in so many ways. Trumpys do not care about his ignoring judicial and Constitutional systems and laws.

He isn't. DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE, SYBIL!

That shows how much they care about America. Not much. They want the dictator to be in charge.

You are describing yourself again, Sybil. YOU CANNOT BLAME YOUR PROBLEMS ON ANYBODY ELSE!

 

[Lionfish]

Lefties forget,

"Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can summarily remove certain noncitizens from the United States without a hearing before an immigration judge. Undocumented immigrants placed in expedited removal proceedings are entitled to access the asylum system if they express fear of persecution, torture, or of returning to their home country."

 

[Into the Night]

From a Reagan appointed judge

‘Shocking to the sense of liberty Americans hold dear’: the impassioned US court order in the Ábrego García case

Judges on the US court of appeals for the fourth circuit issued a memorable call for the return of Kilmar Ábrego García and the separation of government powers. Here is the text

Upon review of the government’s motion, the court denies the motion for an emergency stay pending appeal and for a writ of mandamus. The relief the government is requesting is both extraordinary and premature. While we fully respect the Executive’s robust assertion of its Article II powers, we shall not micromanage the efforts of a fine district judge attempting to implement the Supreme Court’s recent decision.

NO court has any authority over the President's authority of the executive branch.

It is difficult in some cases to get to the very heart of the matter. But in this case, it is not hard at all. The government is asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!

NOTHING in the Constitution magickally gives any illegal alien the right to remain in the United States. No hearing or court order is required at all to deport someone.

This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.

NO judge or court has ANY authority over the President's authority of the executive branch of government, including enforcing the borders.

The government asserts that Abrego Garcia is a terrorist and a member of MS-13.

Correct, as determined by TWO courts.

Perhaps, but perhaps not. Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.

He got it.

If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order. Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or “mistakenly” deported. Why then should it not make what was wrong, right?

No 'removal order' required.

The Supreme Court’s decision remains, as always, our guidepost.

The Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution, and NO authority over the President's authority of the executive branch.

That decision rightly requires the lower federal courts to give “due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs”.

They have NO authority here. Neither does SCOTUS.

That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed from public view.

No negotiations. They will be deported.

It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcia’s return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in accordance with the Supreme Court’s decision should extend a genuine deference. That decision struck a balance that does not permit lower courts to leave Article II by the wayside.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!

‘Shocking to the sense of liberty Americans hold dear’: the impassioned US court order in the Ábrego García case

Judges issued a memorable call for the return of Kilmar Ábrego García and the separation of government powers. Here is the text

www.theguardian.com

More mindless cut and paste.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you even know what the word pogrom means?

Obviously, he doesn't.

 

[Into the Night]

I reassure you that I know what it means more than you do.

You have already demonstrated otherwise, Wally.

 

[Into the Night]

Lefties forget,

"Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can summarily remove certain noncitizens from the United States without a hearing before an immigration judge. Undocumented immigrants placed in expedited removal proceedings are entitled to access the asylum system if they express fear of persecution, torture, or of returning to their home country."

They MUST first enter the country legally to apply for asylum.
Entering the country illegally bars any chance of applying for asylum. They are subject to deportation.

 

[FastLane]

We could stop paying for him to be in prison

The president could ask for them to return him.

Maybe we have. We offered a ride on a plane.

 

[ZenMode]

NO court has any authority over the President's authority of the executive branch.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!

NOTHING in the Constitution magickally gives any illegal alien the right to remain in the United States. No hearing or court order is required at all to deport someone.

NO judge or court has ANY authority over the President's authority of the executive branch of government, including enforcing the borders.


Correct, as determined by TWO courts.

He got it.

No 'removal order' required.

The Supreme Court has NO authority to change the Constitution, and NO authority over the President's authority of the executive branch.

They have NO authority here. Neither does SCOTUS.

No negotiations. They will be deported.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!

More mindless cut and paste.

If all your blathering is accurate, why did the Trump admin admit they screwed up by deporting him?

 

[FastLane]

I know, but the courts have it ordered him to do what he can to get him back. Rule of law. The president sometimes has to do what the courts tell him to do.

Should we invade El Salvador ? He is an El Salvadoran citizen and in their prison system. His faith is up to them. They don't let MS 13 members walk around on the streets.

 

[FastLane]

If all your blathering is accurate, why did the Trump admin admit they screwed up by deporting him?

They screwed up where he went but not by deporting him. He said he was afraid of a gang in El Salvador that no longer exists.