4 ways to change the constitution.

[gfm7175]

But those actions would be unconstitutional and illegal.

No they wouldn't. The States are the owners of the Constitution. They are who formed it. They can also choose to replace it any time they want to.

 

[Flash]

No. The States formed the original constitution. They can simply form a replacement anytime they want to. They need not use Congress. They've already done it. Only the States can amend the Constitution.

There is no provision or constitutional power allowing states to change the Constitution alone. The Constitution created a federal form of government with power divided among the central and state governments. Approval by both levels is required to change the Constitution.

Your claim that Congress can be involved but does not have to be is a direct contradiction to the Constitution itself. The Civil War settled some of those issues.

 

[Flash]

No they wouldn't. The States are the owners of the Constitution. They are who formed it. They can also choose to replace it any time they want to.

The states do not own the Constitution. They agreed to give up some of their powers when they ratified it.

 

[gfm7175]

I have tried to be reasonable

No, you haven't. You started hurling insults (and even resorted to bigotry, among other logical fallacies) once your arguments failed.

but you tunnel vision on only the states own the constitution

The States are the owners of it. The States are who created it. See Article VII. You really haven't read this thing, have you?

sorry junior but the preamble of the constitution says

I've read the Preamble too, junior...

You notice it doesn't say states.

Yes it does, junior. In the very part you highlighted too, junior.

So junior we the people own the constitution not the states.

The States own the Constitution, junior. See Article VII.

So again youngster the congress is involved like it or not.

ARF. RAAA. (Argument by Repetition Fallacy. Repetitious Argumentation Already Addressed.)

 

[Into the Night]

I have tried to be reasonable

Lie.

but you tunnel vision on only the states own the constitution sorry junior but the preamble of the constitution says

We know what it says.

You notice it doesn't say states.

Yes it does.

So junior we the people own the constitution not the states.

States are made up of people...did you know that?

So again youngster the congress is involved like it or not.

Not necessarily. The States can go around Congress if they wish. They own the Constitution. Only they can change the Constitution. Congress has no authority to change the Constitution. They can only propose amendments.

 

[Into the Night]

"There are actually four ways. (1) Both houses propose an amendment with a two-thirds vote, and three-fourths of the state legislatures approve. Twenty-six of the 27 amendments were approved in this manner. (2) Both houses propose an amendment with a two-thirds vote, and three-fourths of the states approve the amendment via ratifying*conventions. Only the 21st Amendment, which repealed Prohibition, was passed in this manner. (3) Two-thirds of the state legislatures call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention, and three-fourths of the state legislatures approve the amendment. (4) Two-thirds of the state legislatures call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention, and three-fourths of the states approve the amendment *via ratifying conventions."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8afcf2-6420-11e6-b4d8-33e931b5a26d_story.html

Is this to hard to understand?

The Washington Post summarily dismissed as a reference. Only the Constitution is the authoritative reference of the Constitution.

False authority fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

What part of Two-thirds of the state legislatures call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention, don't you understand?


You are either a troll or the stupidest person at JPP. My vote is both.

They may also simply go around Congress and create a new Constitution. They've already done it. That's how the current Constitution came to be.

 

[Into the Night]

Or find an activist judge willing to interpret it the way those judge-shopping want him/her to decide.

No court has the authority to interpret the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Congress is involved in some form or fashion according to the Constitution.

Usually, but not necessarily. In any case, Congress does not have authority to amend the Constitution. Only the States do.

 

[gfm7175]

The states do not own the Constitution.

Yes, they do. The States created the document. They own the document. See Article VII.

They agreed to give up some of their powers when they ratified it.

They never gave up ownership of the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no provision or constitutional power allowing states to change the Constitution alone.

See articles V and VII. The States, and ONLY the States can change the Constitution.

The Constitution created a federal form of government with power divided among the central and state governments. Approval by both levels is required to change the Constitution.

No. Only the States can change the Constitution. If the States decide to dissolve the federal government, they have all the authority they need to do so. They can then form a new federal government organized under a new constitution. Even for amending the current Constitution, only the States can change it. All Congress can do is propose amendments (or call for a convention of the States).

Your claim that Congress can be involved but does not have to be is a direct contradiction to the Constitution itself.

Nope. See Articles V and VII.

The Civil War settled some of those issues.

Nope. The United States has never had a civil war. The so-called 'Civil War' was actually a War of Secession. The southern States broke away and formed their own constitution. They did not need Congress to do that.

A civil war is where one or more factions attempt to take over government by force. The southern States did not want to take over the federal government. They wanted to leave. They formed their own nation effectively when they did so. It was also a republic, with it's own constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

The states do not own the Constitution. They agreed to give up some of their powers when they ratified it.

The States own the Constitution. They created it. They own it. They ordained it into law. Only they can change it. The States still own the Constitution. They gave up nothing of their sovereignty except for specific agreements among them, outlined in that same Constitution.

 

[CFM]

Usually, but not necessarily. In any case, Congress does not have authority to amend the Constitution. Only the States do.

There are 4 possible 2-step combinations in the process of amending the Constitution. None of those can be done without Congress playing some role.

 

[CFM]

The States own the Constitution. They created it. They own it. They ordained it into law. Only they can change it. The States still own the Constitution. They gave up nothing of their sovereignty except for specific agreements among them, outlined in that same Constitution.

The States can't ratify any amendment without Congress playing a role in the proposal process.

 

[CFM]

No court has the authority to interpret the Constitution.

Citation?

 

[CFM]

Why should I acknowledge something that never took place? I never stated one. You seem to think I have. What conspiracy?

It did take place and you're continuing to state it.

 

[gfm7175]

Citation?

Article III.

 

[CFM]

Article III.

I agree. Article III does not give interpretation authority. Where did that authority come from?

 

[gfm7175]

I agree. Article III does not give interpretation authority.

Great. Then it's obvious that SCOTUS does not have the power to interpret the Constitution, as SCOTUS does not have any power over the Constitution.

Where did that authority come from?

Not from the Constitution, so SCOTUS does not have that authority.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

No, you haven't. You started hurling insults (and even resorted to bigotry, among other logical fallacies) once your arguments failed.


The States are the owners of it. The States are who created it. See Article VII. You really haven't read this thing, have you?


I've read the Preamble too, junior...


Yes it does, junior. In the very part you highlighted too, junior.


The States own the Constitution, junior. See Article VII.


ARF. RAAA. (Argument by Repetition Fallacy. Repetitious Argumentation Already Addressed.)

No, you haven't. You started hurling insults (and even resorted to bigotry, among other logical fallacies) once your arguments failed.

Au Contrair I only started in on you when you refused to accept any argument that wasn't exactly what you want to hear.

The States are the owners of it. The States are who created it. See Article VII. You really haven't read this thing, have you?

Considering I posted excerpts from Articale Vll proves you either don't read or ignore my posts.

I've read the Preamble too, junior...

If you have it's clear you don't understand what it says.
BTW I call you junior as my youngest son is almost twice your age.

Yes it does, junior. In the very part you highlighted too,junior

You clearly don't respect you betters or elders ( parental failure).
Sorry but the preamble says We the people not just the United States meaning the people are in control of state and federal government.

The States own the Constitution

Again the people own the constitution. State and federal government answers only to the people.