51st state - Washington DC

[Ross Dolan]

Collectively, yes, but those with money and power have teams to advise them. The goal should be to give them less advantages, not more.

Who do you think is really pushing this? Why? We know what the brochure says, but has anyone done the math? Planned out how it would work, how it would operate? How things would change? Not that I have seen.

IMO, this is just a red meat rallying cry for the faithful like "Lock her up" and "MAGA". The actual results will be far different.

You are entitled to your opinion.

As I said earlier...I agree with you an many things.

My opinion is that on this issue...you are dead wrong.

 

[LV426]

Several times. Lived about an hour south of there for a year back in the day then have been to 10-12 annual weeklong meetings starting in the early 2000s.

OK, but it's 2020...

How many times have you lived or visited there?

I was just there this past December, for the final two weeks of 2020. I was there in 2017 for the Women's March, and was there again in 2018 for the Parkland/Gun Violence marches, and then again at the March for Children in Cages in the summer of 2018.

Yes there are some rich parts. What I'm saying is that all the poor parts will become gentrified with Republican and Corporate lobbyists to take advantage of the power play you are advocating.

How do you figure that? Republicans don't move to cities. They move to Florida. Gentrifiers are usually white liberals, not Conservatives...at least, that's the case in every major city in the US.

Who do you think, over a period of 18 to 24 years would benefit the most from Washington DC statehood in the demographics listed below?

Democrats. That 46% of Black residents is higher than Georgia, which we won three times in the last 3 months.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Maybe you don't realize the stupid shit you're saying, but the reason Virginia is now a reliably Blue state is because rich Democrats moved to the DC suburbs, and that movement turned the whole state blue. That dates back to 2008, by the way.

So in what world would Republicans move to Washington DC to flip it red when they've already lost Virginia (Blue, 2 Democratic Senators), Georgia (Blue, 2 Democratic Senators), and Arizona (Blue, 2 Democratic Senators) because of rich Democrats moving to those states and turning them blue?

Do you read the shit you write before you post it?

BTW - most Republicans aren't rich and don't have the mobility to just up and move to Washington DC en masse.

Have you ever BEEN to Washington DC before in your life? Have you been there recently? I have. It's been gentrified for years. in fact, it was so overgentrified that people moved to the suburbs, and what's why Virginia is a Blue state today with 2 Democratic Senators and a Democratic governor + State Legislature.

Check your math. https://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2020 November General/Site/Presidential.html

Additionally, consider that it's a lot easier to control a small territory with money than a large one. Basically, Washington DC, as a state, would be up for sale to the highest bidder.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

OK, but it's 2020...

I was just there this past December, for the final two weeks of 2020. I was there in 2017 for the Women's March, and was there again in 2018 for the Parkland/Gun Violence marches, and then again at the March for Children in Cages in the summer of 2018.

How do you figure that? Republicans don't move to cities. They move to Florida. Gentrifiers are usually white liberals, not Conservatives...at least, that's the case in every major city in the US.

Democrats. That 46% of Black residents is higher than Georgia, which we won three times in the last 3 months.

You have no idea how fascinated am that you think it's still 2020.

How awesome for you. Did you enjoy the sights? See all the museums and monuments or did you just seek to tear them all down?

Rich corporate Republicans love cities. I don't.

 

[LV426]

Check your math. https://results.elections.virginia.gov/vaelections/2020 November General/Site/Presidential.html

What do you think this link proves or adds to your argument?

You're here showing that Virginia is a D+10 state.

It wasn't even a D state until 2008.

Additionally, consider that it's a lot easier to control a small territory with money than a large one. Basically, Washington DC, as a state, would be up for sale to the highest bidder.

Take me through your thought here because it makes no sense to me.

Are you saying Rhode Island has been sold to the highest bidder? How about Wyoming? How about Vermont? All three of those states have fewer people than DC. And to whom were those states "sold"?

 

[LV426]

You have no idea how fascinated am that you think it's still 2020

Fine 2021...that's still 20 years removed from the last time you were in DC.

I was there four weeks ago.

How awesome for you. Did you enjoy the sights? See all the museums and monuments or did you just seek to tear them all down?

No, I went there for the marches and a couple hearings. Jealous?

Rich corporate Republicans love cities.

Ah yes, which is why cities overwhelmingly vote Democratic and why Republicans are constantly trying to get people to move away from them by lying about things like crime and taxes.

 

[Arks&sparka]

It does not require a constitutional amendment.

All the constitution requires is a federal district not to exceed 10 square miles, but no minimum size is specified either. Legally it could be one Square mile

Statehood would modify and shrink the federal district to just the white house, Capitol building, mall, and associated buildings. The rest of DC would become the state of Columbia.

Perfectly legal.

There is no overriding reason Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Adams Morgan, Anacostia, etc. have to be part of a federal district.

The Supreme Court could still rule against it. All they need is the case to come before them.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Fine 2021...that's still 20 years removed from the last time you were in DC.

I was there four weeks ago.

No, I went there for the marches and a couple hearings. Jealous?

Ah yes, which is why cities overwhelmingly vote Democratic and why Republicans are constantly trying to get people to move away from them by lying about things like crime and taxes.

Still wrong dear. I began going annually to DC in the early 2000s for about a decade.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The Supreme Court could still rule against it. All they need is the case to come before them.

Agreed and that's a good point since the entire concept of DC was that it not be a state.

If Congress wants the area to be a state, then Congress should return the land to the states the land originated. It's only fair.

 

[LV426]

Still wrong dear. I began going annually to DC in the early 2000s for about a decade.

Well, DC in 2020 looked a lot like NYC in 2006.

 

[LV426]

If Congress wants the area to be a state, then Congress should return the land to the states the land originated. It's only fair.

Why would Congress do that when that would require a much higher bar than just admitting DC as a state?

Fairness? It's not fair to the people who live in DC. Don't they deserve self-determination of their own?

I think what this really boils down to with you is that you oppose DC statehood because it likely means Black Senators and Representatives, and they make you feel not so great about being an overprivileged white guy.

 

[Arks&sparka]

Agreed and that's a good point since the entire concept of DC was that it not be a state.

If Congress wants the area to be a state, then Congress should return the land to the states the land originated. It's only fair.

I would say I don't know why they don't just cut off the parts that people live in and make that part of Virginia.

 

[LV426]

I would say I don't know why they don't just cut off the parts that people live in and make that part of Virginia.

So, this was actually proposed years ago and rejected by Maryland and Virginia.

To redraw the borders of a state, you need 2/3 of Congress, 2/3 of the states, and majorities (could be 2/3 depending on state constitutions) in those state legislatures, PLUS the Governor of those states as well.

Whereas, to add DC as a state takes just 51 votes in the Senate.

So why the fuck would Democrats, Virginia, or Maryland, ever go along with such a stupid plan THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY REJECTED?

 

[Arks&sparka]

Why would Congress do that when that would require a much higher bar than just admitting DC as a state?

Fairness? It's not fair to the people who live in DC. Don't they deserve self-determination of their own?

I think what this really boils down to with you is that you oppose DC statehood because it likely means Black Senators and Representatives, and they make you feel not so great about being an overprivileged white guy.

Congress would do that because of these people want representation they can get it by being part of Virginia. If it's unfair to live in DC you can move nobody's forced to live there. it would make the most sense to me since living in DC is extremely expensive.

If it's about representation why wouldn't they be represented if they voted in Virginia's state elections?

Why can't la be a different state than California?

 

[Arks&sparka]

So, this was actually proposed years ago and rejected by Maryland and Virginia.

then people can move out of DC why would they live there in the first place?

To redraw the borders of a state, you need 2/3 of Congress, 2/3 of the states, and majorities (could be 2/3 depending on state constitutions) in those state legislatures, PLUS the Governor of those states as well.

Whereas, to add DC as a state takes just 51 votes in the Senate.

So why the fuck would Democrats, Virginia, or Maryland, ever go along with such a stupid plan THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY REJECTED?

Why would anybody live in DC?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Well, DC in 2020 looked a lot like NYC in 2006.

With less than 700K compared to NYC's population equal to the state of Virginia. Sorry I'm unable to explain the dynamics and differences here.

Why would Congress do that when that would require a much higher bar than just admitting DC as a state?

Fairness? It's not fair to the people who live in DC. Don't they deserve self-determination of their own?

I think what this really boils down to with you is that you oppose DC statehood because it likely means Black Senators and Representatives, and they make you feel not so great about being an overprivileged white guy.

UNITY

Thanks for both playing Race Card and calling me a racist. You must have missed my prediction that in 3-4 elections those Senators would all be Republicans.

 

[LV426]

Congress would do that because of these people want representation they can get it by being part of Virginia.

No, they can just get 51 votes in the Senate.

Your way has already been rejected by VA and MD, and why would any Democrat go along with it?

If it's unfair to live in DC you can move nobody's forced to live there.

Right, but we don't need your input to make DC a state. We can just do it with 51 votes in the Senate.

If it's about representation why wouldn't they be represented if they voted in Virginia's state elections?

To fold DC into Virginia would require DC to vote to approve that plan, would require the voters in VA to approve that plan, would require the VA State Legislature to vote that plan, and would require 2/3 of Congress and the Senate to approve that plan, PLUS you need the Governors to sign off on all of it...and Biden.

Now why the fuck would they do that, when they can just get DC as a state with 51 votes in the Senate?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I would say I don't know why they don't just cut off the parts that people live in and make that part of Virginia.

...or, mainly, Maryland. That's what would most likely happen if they push this.

 

[LV426]

then people can move out of DC why would they live there in the first place??

No, you can just come up with a different idea because this idea of yours has already been rejected.

Why would anybody live in DC?

Why do you live in the shitty hovel you live in?

 

[LV426]

With less than 700K compared to NYC's population equal to the state of Virginia. Sorry I'm unable to explain the dynamics and differences here.

I was referring to the gentrification that happened on Manhattan, in Brooklyn, and Queens. After all, you were talking about gentrification. Now you're jumping to a different subject (population size) because your past gentrification argument was 100% bullshit, wasn't it?

Thanks for both playing Race Card and calling me a racist. You must have missed my prediction that in 3-4 elections those Senators would all be Republicans.

Thanks for making it so easy to do that by showing us all who you really are.