8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

WinterBorn said:
But this was one t-shirt. If the policy had evolved, let people know. But when they suspended this student there was nop policy against this shirt.

Unless they have the dress code written on a chalk board so they can change it as their political beliefs evolve.
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Keep reading. The kid wasn't suspended for the shirt, but for his behavior after he was told to turn the shirt inside out.
 
christiefan915 said:
Keep reading. The kid wasn't suspended for the shirt, but for his behavior after he was told to turn the shirt inside out.
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The kid wore a t-shirt that extolled the virtures of standing up for your rights. The teacher was WAY out of line for telling the kid to turn it nside out. The teacher attempted to use his position of power to stop this kid from wearing a legal shirt promoting a noble idea and a legal organization. The teacher dislikes the NRA so he wanted to make sure the shirt was not seen.
 
Rana said:
They have schoolboard meetings, testimony is given and rules are made by vote. Rights are limited and if any parent wants to contest these rules, there is a process. If the child had verbally protested and called his father to inform him, the father could have fought the ruling.

How orderly do you think a school would be if every child who disagreed with policy argued and defied their teachers?
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Except it wasn't against school policy.
 
WinterBorn said:
But this was one t-shirt. If the policy had evolved, let people know. But when they suspended this student there was nop policy against this shirt.

Unless they have the dress code written on a chalk board so they can change it as their political beliefs evolve.
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They do have a CYA phrase to determine what's appropriate according to the administration. Sort of like covering what's not enumerated [in the manual.]

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes.

http://lc2.boe.loga.k12.wv.us/chaphigh/about crhs/student handbook.htm#dress code
 
christiefan915 said:
They do have a CYA phrase to determine what's appropriate according to the administration. Sort of like covering what's not enumerated [in the manual.]

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes.

http://lc2.boe.loga.k12.wv.us/chaphigh/about crhs/student handbook.htm#dress code
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And that certainly does not mean wearing a t-shirt that ruffles the political feathers of a teacher. This was an abuse of authority no matter how you slice it.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh good lord not another gun thread.

I've read the report. The kid was told to get rid of the shirt. His response was completely inappropriate and he created a disturbance for which he was justifiably arrested, taken to the local slam and turned over to his parents 30 minutes later. Try reporting this honestly. He was not arrested for wearing a pro NRA shirt.

Which brings up another point. What the @&$£€ ever happened to the NRA. I was a member when I was in high school but that was well before the right wing loonies took it over and made it an extreme right wing political organ. The NRA used to be about teaching gun safety, the traditions of hunting and outdoorsman ship and most important, they were a great, great leader in habitat conservation. %#¥£€ I took my gun safety class from an NRA sponsored class before I got my first hunting license at 15.

Then around the early 80's they tossed that all away to become a bunch of paranoid right wing 2nd ammendment absolutist. It's just a shame what has happened to a once great organization.
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The bolded above is propaganda plain and simple. No other organization has done and continues to do[/b] more to promote gun safety and the shooting sports as well as teaching self defense to any and all takers. And who do folks think they are going to politically support? Barak Obama? That would be a big negatory. Dianne Feinstein? Uh-uh. And don't misrepresent things...they'll support democrats as vigorously as the do republicans if the democrats come down on the right side of the issue ... like Pryor.

So the NRA does the teaching stuff and the ILA does the politicking in the name of the NRA. The ILA was created when folks felt their gun rights were really threatened long about '74 or '75. But no one organization does more to promote gun safety or the shooting sports than the NRA and no one does more to develop habitat than hunters.
 
christiefan915 said:
They do have a CYA phrase to determine what's appropriate according to the administration. Sort of like covering what's not enumerated [in the manual.]

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes.

http://lc2.boe.loga.k12.wv.us/chaphigh/about crhs/student handbook.htm#dress code
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So if they think that girls shouldn't be allowed to wear jeans and MUST WEAR SKIRTS, but they don't post it as such; you're fine with a teacher telling your daughter that she has to change or be suspended.
 
leaningright said:
The bolded above is propaganda plain and simple. No other organization has done and continues to do[/b] more to promote gun safety and the shooting sports as well as teaching self defense to any and all takers. And who do folks think they are going to politically support? Barak Obama? That would be a big negatory. Dianne Feinstein? Uh-uh. And don't misrepresent things...they'll support democrats as vigorously as the do republicans if the democrats come down on the right side of the issue ... like Pryor.

So the NRA does the teaching stuff and the ILA does the politicking in the name of the NRA. The ILA was created when folks felt their gun rights were really threatened long about '74 or '75. But no one organization does more to promote gun safety or the shooting sports than the NRA and no one does more to develop habitat than hunters.
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:hand::hand::hand:
 
christiefan915 said:
I just read Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988) and part of the decision states "The U.S. Supreme Court found that public school students do not automatically have the same First Amendment rights of adults outside the school..."

Then I read Bethel School District No. 403 v. Frazier, 478 US 675 (1986) and the court said "The First Amendment did not prevent the school district from suspending the student because the school district acted within its authority in punishing the student for his offensive speech."

Tinker was on the list, too. So apparently first amendment rights aren't an absolute in the school setting.
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You didn't have to go thriugh all that. Just listen to Howey. :)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You didn't answer my question. Besides, he may have been within his rights to refuse but he wasn't within his rights to create a public disturbance about it in a public school.

As I said, if this was about a "Free Willy" shirt, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Ya'll are blowing this out of proportion. No one is trying to take your gun away. We just wan't to make sure that insane lunatics, like STY, don't get one. ;)
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little late for that one.
 
christiefan915 said:
You're nuts. It's a good thing you don't want to have children. Your reactions and the others are way, way out of proportion to what occurred.

How many times have I read posts here from cons saying liberals are ruining the country because their kids are undisciplined, disrespectful and get away with murder. But let that sassy kid get asked to flip his t-shirt from the Holy of Holies NRA and all bets are off. Where does it end with you guys? Do you realize how hysterical you sound?
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when will YOU understand that it's not about the shirt, but about the teacher and the school being WRONG
 
Rana said:
They have schoolboard meetings, testimony is given and rules are made by vote. Rights are limited and if any parent wants to contest these rules, there is a process. If the child had verbally protested and called his father to inform him, the father could have fought the ruling.

How orderly do you think a school would be if every child who disagreed with policy argued and defied their teachers?
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again, it's not very orderly if teachers and schools WRONGLY cite policy and make knee jerk reactions based upon their emotions.
 
christiefan915 said:
They do have a CYA phrase to determine what's appropriate according to the administration. Sort of like covering what's not enumerated [in the manual.]

If in the judgment of the administration, a student is dressed inappropriately, the student will be required to change clothes or cover up inappropriate clothing before returning to classes.

http://lc2.boe.loga.k12.wv.us/chaphigh/about crhs/student handbook.htm#dress code
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a capricious and arbitrary policy designed to, as you say, cover their ass. it's too vague and unenforceable.
 
leaningright said:
The bolded above is propaganda plain and simple. No other organization has done and continues to do[/b] more to promote gun safety and the shooting sports as well as teaching self defense to any and all takers. And who do folks think they are going to politically support? Barak Obama? That would be a big negatory. Dianne Feinstein? Uh-uh. And don't misrepresent things...they'll support democrats as vigorously as the do republicans if the democrats come down on the right side of the issue ... like Pryor.

So the NRA does the teaching stuff and the ILA does the politicking in the name of the NRA. The ILA was created when folks felt their gun rights were really threatened long about '74 or '75. But no one organization does more to promote gun safety or the shooting sports than the NRA and no one does more to develop habitat than hunters.
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That's just simply not true anymore. In this respect "Ducks Unlimited" has walked off and left the NRA in the dust. The presence that the NRA used to have in gun safety classes and habitat conservation if a token fraction of what it was when I was in high school in the 70's. They've siphoned off a vastly greater percentage of their memberships money for right wing political activism and it's a primary reason why I let my membership expire back in the mid 80's.

Also, I wouldn't say that hunters do more to develop habitat is propaganda.....but it is an exageration.....though hunters do contribute significantly and should be applauded for their efforts.
 
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