Ya gotta wonder why these people are always so concerned about being "saved." Almost like they see their god as a monster ready to punish them...unless they are saved.
And then they have unending arguments over how one goes about getting "saved."
One of the requirements seems to be...that Jesus had to be tortured and killed. Apparently that is one of the requirements of their god...that its son be brutalized before anyone would be allowed to be saved. And then, apparently, they to have to supplicate in some way...either through "grace" moves; "faith" moves; or by "acts of charity" moves. (Jury is still out on that. The god did not make that clear. So that is what they argue about.)
And if these requirements are not met, the god they worship will damn them to eternal suffering.
THAT is truly a bad one. ETERNAL SUFFERING...ETERNAL TORTURE.
Imagine the kind of bullshit one has to go through to pretend to love a god that has that in mind.