A Congressional Gold Medal for NYC Subway Hero Daniel Penny? Make It So!
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Diogenes
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Does that go for Jordan Williams as well?
If so, here's a recent photo so you'll recognize him.
Charges dropped against Jordan Williams, NYC man accused in fatal subway stabbing
A grand jury declined to indict Jordan Williams on manslaughter and weapons charges in connection with the incident this month on a Brooklyn J train, NBC New York reported.
If not, please explain why.
Thanks!
Diogenes
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What'd Jordan Williams kill Devictor Ouedraogo for?
Or, was that killing of no interest to you?
Charges dropped against Jordan Williams, NYC man accused in fatal subway stabbing
A grand jury declined to indict Jordan Williams on manslaughter and weapons charges in connection with the incident this month on a Brooklyn J train, NBC New York reported.
Dutch Uncle
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It's a problem since being mentally ill is not a crime. Only when he commits a crime, such as Neely has done as you pointed out, can something be done. It wasn't. This is both a hole in our healthcare system and our justice system.
At the moment, our prisons are where mentally ill criminals are sent, not mental hospitals. There is little to no treatment offered in our nation's prisons.
FWIW, most schizophrenics are non-violent and more of a danger to themselves, but as you found out the hard way, that is not always true. Still, the fact they are not being helped is a moral lapse in our nation's culture.
What is Schizophrenia?
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www.psychiatry.org
While there is no cure for schizophrenia, research is leading to innovative and safer treatments. Experts also continue to unravel the causes of the disease by studying genetics, conducting behavioral research, and using advanced imaging to look at the brain’s structure and function. These approaches hold the promise of new, and more effective therapies....
...Most people with schizophrenia are not any more dangerous or violent than people in the general population and may, in fact, be more vulnerable to being the victims of crimes. While limited mental health resources in the community may lead to homelessness and frequent hospitalizations, it is a misconception that people with schizophrenia end up homeless or living in hospitals. Most people with schizophrenia live with their family, in group homes or on their own.
Research has shown that schizophrenia affects men and women fairly equally but may have an earlier onset in males. Rates are similar around the world. People with schizophrenia are more likely to die younger than the general population, largely because of high rates of co-occurring medical conditions, such as heart disease and diabetes.
Dutch Uncle
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^^^
QED on untreated mentally ill Americans.
ThatOwlWoman
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Unfortunately Reagan got rid of most of those in-patient facilities. You are right; one of the hallmarks of many mental illnesses is the refusal to get treatment and/or take meds. I suspect that if the public really wants to prevent another incident like this, we would pressure our elected wonks to fund mental health treatment facilities and pass legislation mandating that those with records of violence be involuntarily committed to them for treatment and for the safety of the public.
Surely Jonathan Hinckley was committed to a psychiatric facility?It's a problem since being mentally ill is not a crime. Only when he commits a crime, such as Neely has done as you pointed out, can something be done. It wasn't. This is both a hole in our healthcare system and our justice system.
At the moment, our prisons are where mentally ill criminals are sent, not mental hospitals. There is little to no treatment offered in our nation's prisons.
FWIW, most schizophrenics are non-violent and more of a danger to themselves, but as you found out the hard way, that is not always true. Still, the fact they are not being helped is a moral lapse in our nation's culture.
Schizophrenia is a chronic brain disorder that affects less than one percent of the U.S. population. When schizophrenia is active, symptoms can include delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, trouble with thinking and lack of motivation. However, with treatment, most symptoms of schizophrenia will greatly improve and the likelihood of a recurrence can be diminished.What is Schizophrenia?
schizophrenia, disorder, help, symptoms, treatment, signs, warnings, american, psychiatric, assocation, apa, mental, health, organization, psychiatry, psychiatrist, psychiatrists, illness, care, expert, qa
While there is no cure for schizophrenia, research is leading to innovative and safer treatments. Experts also continue to unravel the causes of the disease by studying genetics, conducting behavioral research, and using advanced imaging to look at the brain’s structure and function. These approaches hold the promise of new, and more effective therapies....
...Most people with schizophrenia are not any more dangerous or violent than people in the general population and may, in fact, be more vulnerable to being the victims of crimes. While limited mental health resources in the community may lead to homelessness and frequent hospitalizations, it is a misconception that people with schizophrenia end up homeless or living in hospitals. Most people with schizophrenia live with their family, in group homes or on their own.
Research has shown that schizophrenia affects men and women fairly equally but may have an earlier onset in males. Rates are similar around the world. People with schizophrenia are more likely to die younger than the general population, largely because of high rates of co-occurring medical conditions, such as heart disease and diabetes.
I agree most schizophrenics aren't a criminal threat, and some do stick with medication and treatment. In the most severe cases which involve chronic criminal behavior and a recalcitrance to accept voluntary treatment, we really do need some updated and more humane form of the psychiatric asylums that existed in the 20th century.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed on Reagan, but note that was about 40 years and both 6 Presidents and 20 Congresses ago. What has changed since? Not one fucking thing.
Agreed that it will take pressure by voting Americans on our elected reps to fix the problem. Unfortunately, that has not happened sufficiently enough to cause change. When a nutjob commits mass murder, the Democrats focus on guns, not the nutjob or better mental healthcare and legislation to back it up. The Republicans just push putting them in prison and protecting gun rights. Neither side cares enough to address the main problem.
Diogenes
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Or, we could legally conclude that at some point, people don't want to be helped and euthanize them. Three strikes law, maybe?
I never understood why the psychiatric asylums got closed down. Surely some of them were inhumane, and the courts have the power to define the rights of the mentally ill. But surely we cannot say there is just no need for modern and more humane psychiatric facilities?
Even "liberal" California passed a law last year mandating that the severely mentally ill who meet certain criteria be taken off the streets against their will to be committed for treatment.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
I'm sure that you're aware that a large percentage of inmates in America's prisons have one or more mental illnesses. We can do better.
Diogenes
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The notion that Ronald Reagan "closed all asylums" is a simplification and not entirely accurate. Here are some key points to consider:
- Deinstitutionalization Movement: The process of deinstitutionalization, which involved moving mental health care from large institutions to community settings, began well before Reagan's presidency. It started in the 1950s with the advent of new psychiatric medications and was further promoted by the Community Mental Health Act of 1963, signed by President John F. Kennedy. This act aimed to shift care from hospitals to community-based facilities.
- When Reagan was governor of California from 1967 to 1975, he did sign the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act in 1967, which significantly limited the involuntary commitment of mental health patients and aimed to protect the rights of individuals with mental illness. This act was part of a broader national trend towards deinstitutionalization. While Reagan's administration cut funding for mental health services, leading to a decrease in the number of patients in state hospitals, this was part of a gradual process that had already been in motion.
- As President, Reagan did not close all asylums, but his administration's policies did impact mental health care. In 1981, he signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which repealed the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 that was signed by President Jimmy Carter. This act had provided funding for community mental health centers. The repeal was part of broader budget cuts aimed at reducing federal spending, which indirectly affected the maintenance and operation of mental health facilities.
- There's considerable debate about how much Reagan's policies contributed to increased homelessness among the mentally ill. Some argue that without proper community support systems, many of those deinstitutionalized ended up homeless. However, this was also influenced by other factors like economic policies, housing affordability, and the general shift in mental health policy over decades.
- Over the years, public perception has often oversimplified Reagan's role in this complex issue, attributing to him more direct responsibility for the closure of mental health facilities than might be accurate. The reality involves contributions from multiple presidencies, state policies, and societal shifts towards individual rights and less institutionalized care.
In conclusion, while Reagan's policies and budget cuts certainly played a role in the further decline of state mental hospitals, he did not "close all asylums." The deinstitutionalization movement was a multifaceted process involving many actors and policies over several decades.
Diogenes
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Dutch Uncle
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Sure, after shooting a President. What about Neely or the guy who assaulted you?
On the subject of medication, I think too many of the meds are like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Both schizophrenics and Bipolars describe is as akin to having a wet blanket thrown over their heads and stop taking their meds for that reason. Part of the problem is that they like the "high" they experience from their mental illness. Not a shrink, but from what I've read, the best results are a combination of medication and therapy. If true about the "high", then the therapy would include aspects of drug addiction with their addiction being their own mental illness.
Agreed on asylums, but, since most mentally ill are not criminals and more of a threat to themselves, such as "choosing" to live on the streets, outpatient therapy and medication should also be included in the solution.
Daylight63
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If anything cases like this are an indictment of America's systematic disassembly of the mental health care instittutions starting in the 60's and finally completed under Reagan.
The mental institutions were often horrible so something was needed to change, and the ORIGINAL plan was to replace these with community centers, but Americans didn't really want to pay for that second bit. Once the institutions were shuttered and the community centers never materialized we flooded the streets with people who desperately need help but are unable to take care of themselves.
We somehow ALWAYS fail those in need in this country.
Dutch Uncle
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My understanding was cost-cutting. A favorite Republican mantra ever since.
It's one thing to cut the fat, but when the cutting is on meat and bone, we are creating more problems as a nation than we are solving.
Dutch Uncle
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Sad but true. Agreed, we should do better, but the leadership on both sides is failing us and too many voters are not understanding that point.
When was my hissy fit?
Dutch Uncle
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Who comprises the pussy posse? What gave you the impression that I need these unnamed people to call you and @TOP comically fucking stupid?Somehow, I think you have some serious flaws when it comes to jumping on the bandwagon of others.
You haven't what it takes to stand on your own, so you have to suck up to the pussy posse. That's funny,
not to mention infantile. I'm sending this reply to you, buttfuck