A discussion on free trade

I like Chinese people.........

They are hard workers...and the girls are mysterious and cute...but I hate their governmennt after WWII...oh and I also like Chinese food...sweet and sour pork and shrimp are to die for...let's bomb China and set those babes and great food free!
 
They are hard workers...and the girls are mysterious and cute...but I hate their governmennt after WWII...oh and I also like Chinese food...sweet and sour pork and shrimp are to die for...let's bomb China and set those babes and great food free!


I was just advocating tariffs, I think we a miles away from any direct conflict. Although I like chinese food too.
 
yes it has, I got a whooping 4 hours sleep on near 24 hours up, here we go again!!!
 
It's what I've been hearing for years now...

Few other countries have been able to match the pace of China's sustained economic growth. With gross domestic product (GDP) increasing, on average, more than 8 percent annually since 1978, China has become a major player in the global economy.

True.

But I don't think that's coming out of America. China's currency manipulation definitely isn't a favorable thing for global trade at all but I don't think it's what is really driving their growth. I think most of the growth has to do with their embrace of capitalism. But even after the reforms it's still easier to start a business in America than in China.

Pretty soon, the GDP of China and the GDP of India are going to be bigger than America's GDP. America just can't keep up with that kind of growth... our economy is as developed as modern technology allows.
 
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China's human rights record is terrible, but I don't think that a tariff would remedy the problem. Just look at Cuba. If anything, our blockade has cemented Castro.
 
True.

But I don't think that's coming out of America. China's currency manipulation definitely isn't a favorable thing for global trade at all but I don't think it's what is really driving their growth. I think most of the growth has to do with their embrace of capitalism. But even after the reforms it's still easier to start a business in America than in China.

Pretty soon, the GDP of China and the GDP of India are going to be bigger than America's GDP. America just can't keep up with that kind of growth... our economy is as developed as modern technology allows.

I don't think so, we're just putting money in the wrong places. JFK put a man on the moon by the end of one decade, from a non-existent program.
 
China's human rights record is terrible, but I don't think that a tariff would remedy the problem. Just look at Cuba. If anything, our blockade has cemented Castro.

China needs trade with the US, and playing a little hard ball with their manipulation will more than likely resolve the situation, if not balance the playing field a bit.
 
I like the idea that to help the economy we should is create higher prices.

http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/alphabetic.cfm?letter=C

Comparative advantage

'Paul Samuelson, one of the 20th century?s greatest economists, once remarked that the principle of comparative advantage was the only big idea that ECONOMICS had produced that was both true and surprising. It is also one of the oldest theories in economics, usually ascribed to DAVID RICARDO. The theory underpins the economic case for FREE TRADE. But it is often misunderstood or misrepresented by opponents of free trade. It shows how countries can gain from trading with each other even if one of them is more efficient ? it has an ABSOLUTE ADVANTAGE ? in every sort of economic activity. Comparative advantage is about identifying which activities a country (or firm or individual) is most efficient at doing.

To see how this theory works imagine two countries, Alpha and Omega. Each country has 1,000 workers and can make two goods, computers and cars. Alpha?s economy is far more productive than Omega?s. To make a car, Alpha needs two workers, compared with Omega?s four. To make a computer, Alpha uses 10 workers, compared with Omega?s 100. If there is no trade, and in each country half the workers are in each industry, Alpha produces 250 cars and 50 computers and Omega produces 125 cars and 5 computers.

What if the two countries specialise? Although Alpha makes both cars and computers more efficiently than Omega (it has an absolute advantage), it has a bigger edge in computer making. So it now devotes most of its resources to that industry, employing 700 workers to make computers and only 300 to make cars. This raises computer output to 70 and cuts car production to 150. Omega switches entirely to cars, turning out 250.

World output of both goods has risen. Both countries can consume more of both if they trade, but at what PRICE? Neither will want to import what it could make more cheaply at home. So Alpha will want at least 5 cars per computer, and Omega will not give up more than 25 cars per computer. Suppose the terms of trade are fixed at 12 cars per computer and 120 cars are exchanged for 10 computers. Then Alpha ends up with 270 cars and 60 computers, and Omega with 130 cars and 10 computers. Both are better off than they would be if they did not trade.

This is true even though Alpha has an absolute advantage in making both computers and cars. The reason is that each country has a different comparative advantage. Alpha?s edge is greater in computers than in cars. Omega, although a costlier producer in both industries, is a less expensive maker of cars. If each country specialises in products in which it has a comparative advantage, both will gain from trade.

In essence, the theory of comparative advantage says that it pays countries to trade because they are different. It is impossible for a country to have no comparative advantage in anything. It may be the least efficient at everything, but it will still have a comparative advantage in the industry in which it is relatively least bad.

There is no reason to assume that a country?s comparative advantage will be static. If a country does what it has a comparative advantage in and sees its INCOME grow as a result, it can afford better education and INFRASTRUCTURE. These, in turn, may give it a comparative advantage in other economic activities in future.'
 
It's protectionism.

Some think it's worth taking a hit economically to subsidize food as they don't want to have to count on foriegn food. Of course the subsidies are misspent due to special interest.
 
Willy= WRL not Bill Clinton

China "manipulates" it's currency by buying US dollars. Doing so increases the dollars value against yuan.

What is most idiotic about Willy's fears is that China is going to want the yuan to gain in value eventually. It does not benefit them to indefinitely give us real assets in exchange for pieces of paper. So they ARE going to allow the yuan to appreciate through market forces. Pressuring them to do it rapidly is just insane as it would lead to drop in the dollar.

We should only encourage China to allow freedom in their investments. If they let their people buy and sell foreign currencies we'd have natural exchange rates and less opportunity for calamity.
 
China's per capita is under 10,000
less than a quarter of ours
what most of you gerber babies are missing is the increased pie size with them and India joining the Industrialized world.
It is NOT a zero sum game.
 
China's per capita is under 10,000
less than a quarter of ours
what most of you gerber babies are missing is the increased pie size with them and India joining the Industrialized world.
It is NOT a zero sum game.

???

Willy's about the only one that has stated anything that would imply a zero sum game. He is crying about our dominance in the world and the fact that that won't last forever.

But you've always taken a dumbass protectionist stance, top. So your comments don't really make sense.
 
It's protectionism.

Some think it's worth taking a hit economically to subsidize food as they don't want to have to count on foriegn food. Of course the subsidies are misspent due to special interest.

That makes sense, I mean protecting domestic food sources. I was listening to a radio report about food issues in China and one of our farmer reps was on about how we could export food to the Chinese and make a bundle. I thought then, well there's only 21m of us and it's a big country (albeit much of it is desert) we could probably do that - but not at the expense of our own domestic food needs.

I'm thinking maybe it's time for a new economic model.
 
China needs trade with the US, and playing a little hard ball with their manipulation will more than likely resolve the situation, if not balance the playing field a bit.

The US needs trade with China as much as China needs trade with the US. It's a two way street.

Cowboy diplomacy fails (Wiki "bush administration").
 
The US needs trade with China as much as China needs trade with the US. It's a two way street.

Cowboy diplomacy fails (Wiki "bush administration").

We don't need china. We could make all our own shit. China is great for the enemies of civilization who want to put all free people out of work with the cost savings of slave labor and currency manipulation, and thus dominate the world.
 
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