A fatal blow for evolution?

Fentoine Lum said:
Why, when ya can just make shyte up? He must be so used to blathering this shit off to either a mirror or to a gathering of dolls in rehearsals.
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fos·sil
/ˈfäsəl/
noun

1.
the remains or impression of a prehistoric organism preserved in petrified form or as a mold or cast in rock.
 
kudzu said:
fos·sil
/ˈfäsəl/
noun

1.
the remains or impression of a prehistoric organism preserved in petrified form or as a mold or cast in rock.
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Mummy or fossil. Doesn't matter. The biologicals they found in it cannot last that long.
 
Grugore said:
All right, Mr smarty pants. Perhaps you could explain how skin and pigments can last a hundred million years.
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Mummification is a process in which the skin and flesh of a corpse can be preserved. The process can occur either naturally, or it can be intentional.

If it occurs naturally, it is the result of cold (as can be found in a glacier), acid (as can be found in a bog) or dryness.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Why, when ya can just make shyte up? He must be so used to blathering this shit off to either a mirror or to a gathering of dolls in rehearsals.
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You mean like what you believe that you admit NO ONE saw happen first hand yet you take as reality?
 
Grugore said:
The oldest language goes back about 5000 years. So, according to you, humans spent 245,000 years unable to communicate with each other. Hmmm.
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Language is MUCH, MUCH older than 5,000 years... Even writing is much older than that.
 
Grugore said:
So. Your only argument is that I'm stupid? Know what that makes you? Someone incapable of debating others. So, why are you even here?
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Because this is the last refuge of trolls and flamers that are permabanned everywhere else. Damo must be very proud of what he has created here.
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kudzu said:
Mummification is a process in which the skin and flesh of a corpse can be preserved. The process can occur either naturally, or it can be intentional.

If it occurs naturally, it is the result of cold (as can be found in a glacier), acid (as can be found in a bog) or dryness.
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The oldest mummy ever discovered is 7000 years old.
 
kudzu said:
Good God, man.. We aren't talking Egyptian mummies here.. This is about naturally occurring mummification... and mummification is NOT the same thing as fossilization.
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Yeah well, look who you're attempting a reasoned conversation with. The aim of folk like this is to prevent such a thing from breaking out.

Introduction
Mummification (natural, artificial, complete, partial) of human corpses has been known for thousands of years [1, 2, 7-9, 12, 14]. It is generally held that natural mummification occurs due to defined enviornmental conditions such as dry air, good ventilation and high temperature [1, 3, 8, 13]. Skin is initially affected by the mummifaction process while viscera, being readily decomposed in the early post mortem period, are changed to dry structureless plates and membranes [1, 2, 6, 9, 10]. One of the structures undergoing particularly rapid destruction is the human brain. Nevertheless, one case has been reported of brain tissue which was preserved 10 years after burial of the corpse [8]. At the Loshin Site in the vicinity of Dobrinishte Village (Bansko Community, Sofia District) the excavation of a mass grave revealed completely skeletonized skulls and bones 30-40cm below ground level, in loose and stony soil which was well exposed to sunlight. Medicolegal examination ascertained that these were bones from 39 humans (38 male and I female) in the age range 35-60 years old. Firearm wounds in the frontal or temporal region were found in 12 skulls. In 25 cases multifragmental fractures of the skulls were found which had been caused by hard blunt objects or by firearms. Structures were strongly resembled human brain tissue, although greatly reduced in size, were found inside 2 intact skulls. Among the examined bones 5 other similar structures were found one of which was an almost entirely preserved human brain, and the others were fragments from different regions of the human brain.
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A unique case of naturally occurring mummification of human brain tissue
http://www.academia.dk/BiologiskAnt...rring_mummification_of_human_brain_tissue.pdf
 
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Grugore said:
Oh yeah. I guess they had several kinds of grunting noises they could have used. Lol.
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Mar 26, 2018, 02:11pm
What Is The Oldest Language Ever Discovered?


What is the oldest language ever discovered? originally appeared on Quora: the place to gain and share knowledge, empowering people to learn from others and better understand the world.

Answer by Daniel Ross, Linguistics PhD student, on Quora:

What is the oldest language ever discovered?

This question depends on how you define ‘oldest language’ and ‘discovered’, so there are different ways to answer it.


In fact, asking how “How old is your language?” is a lot like asking “How old are your ancestors?” And without some clarification it doesn’t necessarily make sense, because languages have prehistoric origins. More about that: Daniel Ross' answer to Linguistically speaking, is there such thing as the "oldest language"? But since this question seems intuitively very interesting let’s see what kinds of answers there can be depending on how we interpret it.

I discuss the background issues in a lot of detail in these answers: What language did the paleolithic Europeans speak? and How many dead languages are there?

No language is inherently “old” (What would be the difference between an "oldest language" and a "most conservative" language?) Assuming that (most) languages go back all the way to an original human language, they are all equally old (for detailed discussion: Daniel Ross' answer to Do most trained linguists believe that all natural languages have the same age and yet not believe in the Proto World hypothesis?) (But some languages may be younger in some senses: Is Hebrew the youngest language?)

Here are some different ways to answer the question:

The oldest language ever would be the first language. We have only ‘discovered’ it in the sense of hypothesis, and the topic is very controversial. See the link above (‘dead languages’) and also, for example: Which do you think was the first word ever spoken, and why?

The earliest language reasonably confidently identified through scientific methods is probably Proto-Afro-Asiatic. We don’t have any direct evidence for it, but by comparing different modern languages we can be reasonably confident that some shared ancestor to those languages existed, maybe around 15,000 years ago: How closely related were speakers of ancient Semitic languages to each other and other Afro-Asiatic speakers, compared to Indo-European speakers? Other similar proto (hypothesized) languages include of course Proto-Indo-European and many others. See the link above (‘paleolithic Europeans’) and also What came before proto-indo-european?

The earliest writing for a language is as Peter J. Wright said probably those using cuneiform writing including especially Sumerian, over 5,000 years old. Or possibly Ancient Egyptian. It’s unclear to me if we can tell which was really first based on surviving texts. We have some markings that are not quite ‘writing’ dating back thousands of years before that, though.

I think the earliest is around 70,000 years old and might just be a design rather than any sort of meaning, but it is hard to say exactly when to draw the line. In terms of the oldest writing we have decoded as language, though, that would be one of the cuneiform languages. (There may be some other writing elsewhere that hasn’t yet been deciphered, I’m not sure.) I believe the earliest major work of literature is generally considered to be the Epic of Gilgamesh, about 4,000 years old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...oldest-language-ever-discovered/#3e29b7846bac
 
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Mar 26, 2018, 02:11pm
What Is The Oldest Language Ever Discovered?
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What is the oldest language ever discovered? originally appeared on Quora: the place to gain and share knowledge, empowering people to learn from others and better understand the world.

Answer by Daniel Ross, Linguistics PhD student, on Quora:

What is the oldest language ever discovered?

This question depends on how you define ‘oldest language’ and ‘discovered’, so there are different ways to answer it.


In fact, asking how “How old is your language?” is a lot like asking “How old are your ancestors?” And without some clarification it doesn’t necessarily make sense, because languages have prehistoric origins. More about that: Daniel Ross' answer to Linguistically speaking, is there such thing as the "oldest language"? But since this question seems intuitively very interesting let’s see what kinds of answers there can be depending on how we interpret it.

I discuss the background issues in a lot of detail in these answers: What language did the paleolithic Europeans speak? and How many dead languages are there?

No language is inherently “old” (What would be the difference between an "oldest language" and a "most conservative" language?) Assuming that (most) languages go back all the way to an original human language, they are all equally old (for detailed discussion: Daniel Ross' answer to Do most trained linguists believe that all natural languages have the same age and yet not believe in the Proto World hypothesis?) (But some languages may be younger in some senses: Is Hebrew the youngest language?)

Here are some different ways to answer the question:

The oldest language ever would be the first language. We have only ‘discovered’ it in the sense of hypothesis, and the topic is very controversial. See the link above (‘dead languages’) and also, for example: Which do you think was the first word ever spoken, and why?

The earliest language reasonably confidently identified through scientific methods is probably Proto-Afro-Asiatic. We don’t have any direct evidence for it, but by comparing different modern languages we can be reasonably confident that some shared ancestor to those languages existed, maybe around 15,000 years ago: How closely related were speakers of ancient Semitic languages to each other and other Afro-Asiatic speakers, compared to Indo-European speakers? Other similar proto (hypothesized) languages include of course Proto-Indo-European and many others. See the link above (‘paleolithic Europeans’) and also What came before proto-indo-european?

The earliest writing for a language is as Peter J. Wright said probably those using cuneiform writing including especially Sumerian, over 5,000 years old. Or possibly Ancient Egyptian. It’s unclear to me if we can tell which was really first based on surviving texts. We have some markings that are not quite ‘writing’ dating back thousands of years before that, though.

I think the earliest is around 70,000 years old and might just be a design rather than any sort of meaning, but it is hard to say exactly when to draw the line. In terms of the oldest writing we have decoded as language, though, that would be one of the cuneiform languages. (There may be some other writing elsewhere that hasn’t yet been deciphered, I’m not sure.) I believe the earliest major work of literature is generally considered to be the Epic of Gilgamesh, about 4,000 years old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...oldest-language-ever-discovered/#3e29b7846bac
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Both his language and ancestors arose in Africa? [shudder]
 
Grugore said:
Oh yeah. I guess they had several kinds of grunting noises they could have used. Lol.
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Mar 26, 2018, 02:11pm
What Is The Oldest Language Ever Discovered?
Quora
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Contributor



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What is the oldest language ever discovered? originally appeared on Quora: the place to gain and share knowledge, empowering people to learn from others and better understand the world.

Answer by Daniel Ross, Linguistics PhD student, on Quora:

What is the oldest language ever discovered?

This question depends on how you define ‘oldest language’ and ‘discovered’, so there are different ways to answer it.


In fact, asking how “How old is your language?” is a lot like asking “How old are your ancestors?” And without some clarification it doesn’t necessarily make sense, because languages have prehistoric origins. More about that: Daniel Ross' answer to Linguistically speaking, is there such thing as the "oldest language"? But since this question seems intuitively very interesting let’s see what kinds of answers there can be depending on how we interpret it.

I discuss the background issues in a lot of detail in these answers: What language did the paleolithic Europeans speak? and How many dead languages are there?

No language is inherently “old” (What would be the difference between an "oldest language" and a "most conservative" language?) Assuming that (most) languages go back all the way to an original human language, they are all equally old (for detailed discussion: Daniel Ross' answer to Do most trained linguists believe that all natural languages have the same age and yet not believe in the Proto World hypothesis?) (But some languages may be younger in some senses: Is Hebrew the youngest language?)

Here are some different ways to answer the question:

The oldest language ever would be the first language. We have only ‘discovered’ it in the sense of hypothesis, and the topic is very controversial. See the link above (‘dead languages’) and also, for example: Which do you think was the first word ever spoken, and why?

The earliest language reasonably confidently identified through scientific methods is probably Proto-Afro-Asiatic. We don’t have any direct evidence for it, but by comparing different modern languages we can be reasonably confident that some shared ancestor to those languages existed, maybe around 15,000 years ago: How closely related were speakers of ancient Semitic languages to each other and other Afro-Asiatic speakers, compared to Indo-European speakers? Other similar proto (hypothesized) languages include of course Proto-Indo-European and many others. See the link above (‘paleolithic Europeans’) and also What came before proto-indo-european?

The earliest writing for a language is as Peter J. Wright said probably those using cuneiform writing including especially Sumerian, over 5,000 years old. Or possibly Ancient Egyptian. It’s unclear to me if we can tell which was really first based on surviving texts. We have some markings that are not quite ‘writing’ dating back thousands of years before that, though.

I think the earliest is around 70,000 years old and might just be a design rather than any sort of meaning, but it is hard to say exactly when to draw the line. In terms of the oldest writing we have decoded as language, though, that would be one of the cuneiform languages. (There may be some other writing elsewhere that hasn’t yet been deciphered, I’m not sure.) I believe the earliest major work of literature is generally considered to be the Epic of Gilgamesh, about 4,000 years old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...oldest-language-ever-discovered/#3e29b7846bac
 
Back to the OP. No one has been able to explain how skin and pigments can last a hundred million years. Anyone care to try?
 
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