A Good Ron Paul article...

Kathianne said:
Those 'crackpots' are the ones driving his fundraising and 'grass roots' organization. You are either delusional or spinning. Someone posted the candidate's official response, which was to the effect, "We won't let the haters define us, we won't respond." In essence, never mind our backers, we need their money.
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BS! You only have a couple examples to point out for a reason. I have given 3 times the amount your one racist has. I know or know of many others that are doing more than me and they are not racist or haters in any way.

Here's a test you liar. Sign up to a Ron Paul meetup group or yahoo group. Post some crap about how you love Ron Paul for some racist reason. See how quickly you get runoff.
 
RStringfield said:
BS! You only have a couple examples to point out for a reason. I have given 3 times the amount your one racist has. I know or know of many others that are doing more than me and they are not racist or haters in any way.

Here's a test you liar. Sign up to a Ron Paul meetup group or yahoo group. Post some crap about how you love Ron Paul for some racist reason. See how quickly you get runoff.
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What kind of 'test' would that be? I didn't post a few examples, rather a lot of reasons Ron Paul could be perceived as racist/anti-semitetic. That wasn't cherry picking, rather quite available to anyone that doesn't want to support such. I gues you do, RStrinfield.
 
It would be a test of your notion that Paul support would dry up without racists. That is what you said.

Those 'crackpots' are the ones driving his fundraising and 'grass roots' organization.
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As far as I know, you have one guy that gave money. You posted a handful of others, that I guess are endorsing Paul or are tied to some group that is.

I support racism? Is that your contention now?
 
RStringfield said:
Any racist will be overwhelmed by those who have no tolerance for it.
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WRONG

I know of a couple of Paul Meetup groups who are having problems with the racists in their groups.

And perhaps you missed this ...

The white supremacists do more than raise funds.

"one of Rep. Paul's top internet organizers in Tennessee is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams (aka ‘White Will'). Williams was the southern coordinator for William Pierce's National Alliance Party, the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S."

Pierce is author of the racist "Turner Diaries". When the Lone Star Times exposed the $500 Don Black donation, Williams responded on the national Ron Paul meetup site,
"Must Dr. Paul capitulate to our Jewish masters' demands?"

The mild responses to Williams' MeetUp post make a sharp contrast to the hatred and invective with which Paul supporters respond to Medved or any other writer questioning Paul's refusal to disassociate himself from his racist supporters. Any other campaign would presume Williams' expression of anti-Semitism was a dirty trick by an opposing campaign. Williams would have been hurriedly denounced and booted out of the campaign. Not Ron Paul.

WHY HAVEN'T THE RACISTS BEEN KICKED OUT OF HIS CAMPAIGN?

WHY HASN'T HE CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DENOUNCED AND REPUDIATED THE RACISTS WHO SUPPORT HIM?

WHERE IS THE "OVERWHELMING" YOU SPEAK OF?

You may not be a racist, but you most certainly support one.
 
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Missed what? That's the first the you have posted it and (surprise) it is unsourced. What meetup group is this supposed to be?
 
Personally, I don't think he has to constantly scream that he is not a racist. Have any of HIS ACTIONS give anyone a reason to think he is racist. If racist idiots want to give him money, and vote for him, fine. That has no bearing on who HE is.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
Personally, I don't think he has to constantly scream that he is not a racist. Have any of HIS ACTIONS give anyone a reason to think he is racist. If racist idiots want to give him money, and vote for him, fine. That has no bearing on who HE is.
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It doesn't matter what he screams, he IS being judged on HIS ACTIONS.
 
]It doesn't matter what he screams, he IS being judged on HIS ACTIONS.]

What actions are these? What has Ron Paul done that can be reasonably construed as racist?
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
Personally, I don't think he has to constantly scream that he is not a racist. Have any of HIS ACTIONS give anyone a reason to think he is racist. If racist idiots want to give him money, and vote for him, fine. That has no bearing on who HE is.
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He takes their $$$. While he can't stop their 'support' the fact that their sites also contain hate info, he should repudiate that. He hasn't. When the other candidates found some cash had come from questionable sources, they returned it. He hasn't.

No one expects him to spend all of his time talking about this, problem is, he hasn't at all.

Of course he had his own views that he wrote quite a bit about, though they seem to have gone missing recently. The whole thing was captured though:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.african.american/msg/c8668bd3662b0fa5



...Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism...
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All I know is that AFTER the FBI said that Gore was an unknowing party when he accepted checks from the nuns and monks at the monastary in 1996 righties could not scream enough about how Gore KNEW he was taking donations from the temple itself.
 
[...Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."]

Racially insensitive, not necessarily racist.

["Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.]

This seems to be taken out of context, and seems to be sarcasm.

[Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."]

Is it true? If so, it is racially insensitive, not racist.

[Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism...]

The Israel lobby IS very powerful, and the Zionist movement DOES seek to stifle criticism. So do Scientologists. So what?
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
[...Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."]

Racially insensitive, not necessarily racist.

["Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.]

This seems to be taken out of context, and seems to be sarcasm.

[Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."]

Is it true? If so, it is racially insensitive, not racist.

[Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism...]

The Israel lobby IS very powerful, and the Zionist movement DOES seek to stifle criticism. So do Scientologists. So what?
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I guess we are all blessed to know that you are not the arbitrator of what is racist.

Would this be a racist statement or just a bit "racially insensitive" ..

Blacks are barbarians and terrorists who can be identified by the color of thier skin.

Is that racist, yes or no?

Given that you believe that calling for 13 year-old black children, and ONLY 13 year-old black children, to be treated as adults by the criminal system because "they can run fast", I expect that you also believe that calling blacks barbarians and terrorists is no big deal.
 
Agnosticus_Caesar said:
[...Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."]

Racially insensitive, not necessarily racist.

["Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.]

This seems to be taken out of context, and seems to be sarcasm.

[Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."]

Is it true? If so, it is racially insensitive, not racist.

[Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism...]

The Israel lobby IS very powerful, and the Zionist movement DOES seek to stifle criticism. So do Scientologists. So what?
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Well there are enough other candidates that I don't need to take the chance. Considering his 'insensitivity' just may be why he has so many of those supporters that strike some of us a bit 'off.' :rolleyes:
 
[I guess we are all blessed to know that you are not the arbitrator of what is racist.

Would this be a racist statement or just a bit "racially insensitive" ..

Blacks are barbarians and terrorists who can be identified by the color of thier skin.



Is that racist, yes or no?]

That isn't even remotely similar. Don't equivocate. That is an OBVIOUSLY racist statement.

[Given that you believe that calling for 13 year-old black children, and ONLY 13 year-old black children, to be treated as adults by the criminal system because "they can run fast", I expect that you also believe that calling blacks barbarians and terrorists is no big deal.]

I didn't see anything about singling out black children to be treated as adults in the criminal justice system. If that is what he said, then THAT is racist.
 
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