A reality check on the corona virus reactions.

I<3Big Anime Tiddies said:
Meat, cheese, bread, milk, eggs, sugar, flour, canned goods, rice, pasta, water, potatoes. Probably other stuff but I haven't looked beyond those basics.
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None of those are in shortage; the supply cannot keep up with the HOARDING. That is all. Once the panic subsides, there will be plenty on the shelves everywhere.
 
Havana Moon said:
Yet this Nobel Laureate says otherwise

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Michael Levitt analyzed data from 78 countries that have reported more than 50 new infections each day and found signs of recovery.
Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry for developing complex models of chemical systems.
The Nobel laureate accurately predicted the number of coronavirus cases and deaths in China.
A Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist estimates the United States may see a downturn in new coronavirus cases sooner than health experts have predicted, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Stanford University biology professor Michael Levitt, winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, said his models do not support predictions the coronavirus will stick around for months or years and cause millions of deaths. He says the data do not support such an extreme scenario.

“What we need is to control the panic...we’re going to be fine,” Levitt told the Los Angeles Times.

Levitt previously predicted accurately when China would get through the worst of its COVID-19 crisis. The Nobel Prize winner predicted China would peak around 80,000 cases and 3,250 deaths. He was not far off, as China has reported more than 81,000 cases with more than 3,200 deaths.

Levitt said he can see a better outcome in the U.S. than what has taken place in China, Italy or Iran, especially with social distancing measures in place. He said social-distancing mandates are critical in cutting the number of coronavirus cases.

Michael Levitt analyzed data from 78 countries that have reported more than 50 new infections each day and found signs of recovery.
Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry for developing complex models of chemical systems.
The Nobel laureate accurately predicted the number of coronavirus cases and deaths in China.
A Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist estimates the United States may see a downturn in new coronavirus cases sooner than health experts have predicted, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Stanford University biology professor Michael Levitt, winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, said his models do not support predictions the coronavirus will stick around for months or years and cause millions of deaths. He says the data do not support such an extreme scenario.

“What we need is to control the panic...we’re going to be fine,” Levitt told the Los Angeles Times.

Levitt previously predicted accurately when China would get through the worst of its COVID-19 crisis. The Nobel Prize winner predicted China would peak around 80,000 cases and 3,250 deaths. He was not far off, as China has reported more than 81,000 cases with more than 3,200 deaths.

Levitt said he can see a better outcome in the U.S. than what has taken place in China, Italy or Iran, especially with social distancing measures in place. He said social-distancing mandates are critical in cutting the number of coronavirus cases.

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...15-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience
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What the hell is your point, HM?

Almost ALL the experts INCLUDING THE ONE YOU ARE OFFERING are saying the key to containing the virus is to mandate social distancing...which is what I have been suggesting.

So I ask again...what the hell is your point?
 
Legion said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Nope, it's federal.....who have near daily press conference telling the world who is in charge, leading the pack. Sometimes us old heads refer to the federal gov't as "the state" and lump in local gov't as state, county, city.
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The chronology of the posts does not support that contention, and your excuse that "old heads refer to the federal gov't as "the state" and lump in local gov't as state, county, city" is absurd.

You said

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I can't help but look at the sheer numbers and come to the conclusion that the vast majority of the near hysteria prompted by our state and local governments is over-rated.
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:rolleyes: So you don't accept my explanation. Life goes on. But to keep you from trying to divert discussion of the OP with this "got'cha" detour, let me lay it out for you:

I can't help but look at the sheer numbers and come to the conclusion that the vast majority of the near hysteria prompted by our federal, state and local governments is over-rated.

Now keep in mind that Dump and company have made it VERY clear in setting the mandate and direction for the country...they are in charge. But like I said, the numbers just don't add up. You want to discuss that, fine. If not, it's pointless to enable you to beat a dead horse.
 
Callinectes said:
I agree with you. But I think the number of infections is going to be HUGE along with the number of recoveries. I think the grand total deaths will be on par with the rest of the pandemics of the past 25 years, maybe bigger, and the bulk of those will be elderly and immune compromised. That's what I've heard from medical experts, and that's what I believe
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That's the way the numbers are panning out thus far....and actually they appear to be adding up to less than previous pandemics, let alone flus.
 
Truth Detector said:
None of those are in shortage; the supply cannot keep up with the HOARDING. That is all. Once the panic subsides, there will be plenty on the shelves everywhere.
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Yes, once supply can meet demand a shortage is indeed over. However whether the demand is rational or not does not matter, it is not being met. To call it anything but a shortage is either a lie or ignorance.
 
Frank Apisa said:
What the hell is your point, HM?

Almost ALL the experts INCLUDING THE ONE YOU ARE OFFERING are saying the key to containing the virus is to mandate social distancing...which is what I have been suggesting.

So I ask again...what the hell is your point?
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Fuck me rigid, have you not being paying attention? I don't think that totally destroying the world's economies is a price worth paying for something that takes less people than flu. The vulnerable and elderly should take care but the fit and healthy need to develop herd immunity and go back to work.
 
CFM said:
Over 26 million diagnosed, over 250K hospitalized, and over 14K dead from the flu and nothing remotely close to the over-reaction we're seeing now.

What disappoints me more than the over-reaction is how many people were so quickly and easily willing to give up their freedoms because the government told them to do so. Don't think it's not a test to see the level to which people are willing to be controlled.
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Some facts regarding domestic and global numbers:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-map-tracking-spread-us-world/story?id=69415591

Here's my point: Since this virus shows a higher contagious rate than previous flus and viruses, I would expect a more stringent response from health officials, as they don't really have a handle on this strain. As with everything in this country, we tend to over-react....but I'm not going to submit to the conspiracy theory that's this is all a test run for a totalitarian state....especially since the economic strains have financial and social leaders chomping at the bit to "get back to normal" business.
 
volsrock said:
I live in a small town...pop 4,149..picked up bread milk and ground chuck and yes toilet paper today

Never been any lines at the store!
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I live in the country, but am still within a relatively close driving distance from both small towns and larger cities. The larger cities (and even smaller towns) were out of those "essential" items, yet one small town (already economically dead ever since the printing business closed down) still had those items, since it is an overlooked town. I've been shopping there now and will continue to do so until the "crisis" is over with and people stop freaking out and hoarding supplies over nothing.
 
Truth Detector said:
Wrong; first case in Washington State was estimated to have arrived on January 15th (I was off by ONE day). He arrived at an urgent care clinic January 19th. WTF is wrong with your brain? It's gone FULL retard over this NOTHING BURGER. :rolleyes:

We have had 15,111 deaths from flu in the same timeline with only 544 dead of Corona in the US. What is 544 divided by 308 million? Good lord; stop flailing and THINK.

On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington

He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191
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I really don't know why you argue with me. I keep handing your ass to you. This from your latest cited web site!
On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV by real-time reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (rRT-PCR) assay.*
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Jan 20th it was confirmed just as I said.

Which virus is deadlier?

The coronavirus seems to be more deadly than the flu — so far.

On average, seasonal flu strains kill about 0.1 percent of people who become infected. The 1918 flu had an unusually high fatality rate, around 2 percent. Because it was so contagious, that flu killed tens of millions of people.

Early estimates of the coronavirus death rate from China were about 2 percent. But a later report on 1,099 cases from many parts of China, published in The New England Journal of Medicine, found a lower rate: 1.4 percent.

In a recent speech, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, asserted that the global case fatality rate for people infected with coronavirus was 3.4 percent, a startling figure.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-flu.html

Sorry dumb ass you are wrong again.
 
CFM said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
1. Nope. I clearly stated as such in no uncertain terms. How did you interpret otherwise?
2. Nope. compare the infection lists to the hospitalization lists to the fatality list. Nothing seems to match up with past flu seasons.
3. I said so, didn't I?
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3. Your problem is that unless people agree with you or say what you want to hear, you don't consider it rational. What you say is not how you apply it.
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Accusations were made in a clearly sarcastic manner, to which I responded in a rational, logical manner. My references to infection rates are valid, and I wanted to know how my previous statements were misinterpreted. I'm waiting for a response.

Given this, your accusation just doesn't make sense. If you can logically and factually prove what you say WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OP and this discussion, then please elaborate.
 
Truth Detector said:
More like one month. ;) It's not about being a "doubter"; but about dealing in REALITY and FACTS instead of emotional hysterics.
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It's people who think like you that are making this a pandemic. Just shut the fuck up and follow the instruction to keep you safe.
 
Havana Moon said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
That might be the same for other small towns in America...something not touted on network news. My thing is the numbers just don't jibe with this "it's 90% fatal!" mantra. This stuff has been in the general population for 6 weeks before our national health departments got their butts in gear.....by their reckoning, people should be dropping like flies by now. It's OVER-reaction.
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Yes you are exactly right, this has been hyped beyond all rhyme or reason. The proper way to have approached the problem was to ensure the vulnerable and at risk were isolated, test those showing symptoms like high temperature and dry cough, as well as essential staff like nurse, doctors. That's exactly what they've done in Korea and Japan.
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Yes! If I'm not mistaken, the gov't mandate of notifying the public to who were at risk, emphasize testing and then temporary isolation, as well as protecting the medical responders and such did the trick. They were prepared by their mindset of dealing with potential (and past) disasters (earthquakes, floods, nuke power plant screw ups, potential invasion of a hostile country).
 
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