"A Republic, if you can keep it."

SmarterthanYou said:
your mistake is assuming I hate the constitution just because i'm brothers with someone who you THINK hates the constitution.

the oath keepers became the oaf keepers when they decided that cops killing unarmed people was better than people rising up against the machine, choosing instead to hope that they could join in with that machine and start killing people for doing the same things that the founders did when they finally had enough

again, you have a right to believe whatever, no matter how wrong you are.

might be difficult for you to accept, but i'd hand asshat a gun to cover my back before i'd trust someone I don't know, even if he calls me brother because we wear the same uniform....given some of the things they've said about me
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You are the same as the company you keep. Both of you are advocating violent overthrow of the US government and capitalism (code word: "globalism"). Why should I treat either of you differently?

Fictional scenario: if I ran around in a pink pussy hat screaming "defund the police", wouldn't you assume I was a "1980s Liberal" or a LW looney? Why are you claiming I'm wrong when you are advocating overthrowing the Constitution and imposing a martial law? Under martial law, wouldn't der Fuhrer be authorized to declare all the top Democrats, including AOC, as Chinese traitors and line them up against a wall outside Congress? Are you smart enough to recognize the wisdom in one of President Gerald R. Ford's favorite sayings?:

"a government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Benjamin Franklin is often quoted as saying "A Republic if you can keep it" in response to a question following his exit from Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention in 1787.

Although there is no proof positive, the response came from Mrs. Elizabeth Willing Powell's question, "Well, Doctor. What have we got? A Republic or monarchy?" Mrs Powell was the wife of Philadelphia Mayor Samuel Powel and both a prominent social figure, but also a friend of Franklin.

Flash forward over 230 years and the question remains the same "Well, Doctor, what have we got? A Republic or a monarchy?" The answer also remains the same: "A Republic if you can keep it."

Already JPP has seen a handful of Alt-Right members favor suspending the Constitution and imposing martial law across the land until further notice. That's not how a Republic does things. That's how a monarch does things.
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One concern was that they saw the states trending toward democracy. One example is those who believed the states would give choosing electors to the voters.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It appears that despite the fascist party's attempts to stack the U.S. Supreme Court and subvert this election -- that we're still a republic.

We true Americans will sleep well tonight.
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I thought both sides were being overly dramatic about the consequences of Barrett's confirmation when they claimed:

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Trump made his appointees pledge loyalty to him and they would help him steal the election
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The Supreme Court will rule in Trump's favor when they get the cases.​
 
Flash said:
I thought both sides were being overly dramatic about the consequences of Barrett's confirmation when they claimed:

1.
Trump made his appointees pledge loyalty to him and they would help him steal the election
2.
The Supreme Court will rule in Trump's favor when they get the cases.​
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I figured that both sides would be surprised that #TRE45ON's pet toadies won't bow to his will.​
 
Flash said:
One concern was that they saw the states trending toward democracy. One example is those who believed the states would give choosing electors to the voters.
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Regardless, like everything else in the Convention, all the states agreed to it and the Constitution was unanimously ratified. Each state is free to bitch about making changes, but none of them can legitimately scream they've been cheated or that the Constitution is a fraud.
 
States' rights do not give them power over other states like the latest Trump suit wanted to do. This was not an example of states' rights, but empowering some states to have power over others. No matter how you view that suit, it was wrong and dangerous to the continuation of America. It is a public display of sedition.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
We've already seen. In two centuries no loser of a presidential election has ever behaved like Trump.

The last time an incumbent failed to be re-elected was George H. W Bush in 1992. Did he kick up a tantrum and try to divide the country for his own benefit? Can you even imagine it?

Bush 41 was a patriot, an honorable gentleman and an old-style Republican. Trump is none of those things.
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Never in those two centries has a sitting president been hated and ridiculed when the country was doing well economically. People were happy and Trump would have easily won again if it weren't for the China virus.

Yes, I always thought G.H.W. Bush was an honorable man.

Trump is Trump, there's no denying that. Maybe he thinks if he's gonna be relentlessly accused of something, may as well do it? Myself? I'd be graceful, to piss them off and make liars out of them.
 
Nordberg said:
States' rights do not give them power over other states like the latest Trump suit wanted to do. This was not an example of states' rights, but empowering some states to have power over others. No matter how you view that suit, it was wrong and dangerous to the continuation of America. It is a public display of sedition.
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It's good to see so many on the solidly Left defend State's Rights. Agreed, like human rights, state's only have a right to themselves, not others.
 
Let me just say this about Republics!

Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, even the Congo are all Republics!

Being a Republic doesn't say much- It depends on what kind of Republic a country is!

For example, If Trump would have won re-election, we would be a "BANANA REPUBLIC" IN SHORT SHRIFT!

So anytime an idiot Republican Asshole says, WE AREN'T A DEMOCRACY- WE ARE A REPUBLIC!

Tell them, "OK! That's half True- and half False"!

The other half of the truth is "AMERICA IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC"!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Let me just say this about Republics!

Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, even the Congo are all Republics!

Being a Republic doesn't say much- It depends on what kind of Republic a country is!

Foe example! If Trump would have won re-election, we would be a "BANANA REPUBLIC" IN SHORT SHIFT!
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it says a lot if your have our constitution as a guiding document, setting limits on the hysteria of the mob who can vote away freedoms in fits of idiocy.
 
AssHatZombie said:
it says a lot if your have our constitution as a guiding document, setting limits on the hysteria of the mob who can vote away freedoms in fits of idiocy.
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It says a lot that you and your friends don't see the Constitution as a guiding document.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
You are the same as the company you keep. Both of you are advocating violent overthrow of the US government and capitalism (code word: "globalism"). Why should I treat either of you differently?

Fictional scenario: if I ran around in a pink pussy hat screaming "defund the police", wouldn't you assume I was a "1980s Liberal" or a LW looney? Why are you claiming I'm wrong when you are advocating overthrowing the Constitution and imposing a martial law? Under martial law, wouldn't der Fuhrer be authorized to declare all the top Democrats, including AOC, as Chinese traitors and line them up against a wall outside Congress? Are you smart enough to recognize the wisdom in one of President Gerald R. Ford's favorite sayings?:

"a government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."
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would you care to show me where I said I wanted to overthrow capitalism? or the constitution?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I'm hoping to see you there showing us how the revolution is done, Comrade. Please wear a shirt with a bulls-eye on the back and "I Think I'm Smarter Than You" on the front so we'll know it's you. :laugh:
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in a battle between republicans and democrats........i'm in the stands cheering on the spectre of death...............will you need my protection? I do have a job for you............it doesn't pay much, but has great benefits.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
in a battle between republicans and democrats........i'm in the stands cheering on the spectre of death...............will you need my protection? I do have a job for you............it doesn't pay much, but has great benefits.
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:laugh: :rofl2: :laugh:

Oh, sorry. You really meant that. Sokay, tot, my homies and me got this. lol

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AssHatZombie said:
it says a lot if your have our constitution as a guiding document, setting limits on the hysteria of the mob who can vote away freedoms in fits of idiocy.
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You have the power to amend the Constitution with your vote!

If you have a problem with the Constitution, you have the ways and means to change it!
 
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