A smarter way to get 'free' electricity

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Redefinition fallacy.

stfu, broken record idiot loser.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

You are killing me with your claims that everything is fascism. Maple syrup is fascism, being the product of corporate and government power.

quit being such a fascist fucktoid.

 

[Althea]

Now you're resorting to denying the English language? It most certainly IS a question. You could try answering it instead of evading it.

There was no question

 

[Althea]

...but the holding company IS publicly traded.

And for a prepayment of $50k, you can hit your target income of $200/month.

The holding company is NOT failing.

If you say so. It's down 25% in the last five years. Down $2/share since this discussion began.

He sure can!

He can earn a better return if he puts the $50k in a money market account. I thought you were an investment genius?

No, it's not.

Of course it is. He's looking for a monthly income. What exactly is the alternative that you suggest?

Sure, but pick a longer time frame and it is up. You are cherry picking.

Today it's down. That's the way equities work. Which is why the 'thought experiment' in the OP is moronic.

I've already told you about it. I've told you that it is an example of investments into private companies. There are numerous other examples that could be provided.

Wrong. Sharks have NEVER gone door to door begging to invest in a private company. That's the exact metaphor here. You seem to think that you can force private companies to sell you equity.

 

[gfm7175]

Did you just combine the "R" of goveRnment with the "A" of corporAte? FASCISM! Stop it. Stop it now!

I thought it was spelled "corperATE"? Oh wait, that's for the climATE nutters...

 

[gfm7175]

There was no question

You were asked the question, you even directly quoted it while providing a smart-ass evasive reply to it, then you tried denying the question's existence, then I reminded you of the question via copy/pasting the wording of it, and since then you've been attempting to redefine what a question is in order to deny it's existence ("a question that Althea doesn't like is somehow not a question")

You REALLY can't help yourself... TOO FUNNY!!!

 

[Althea]

You were asked the question, you even directly quoted it while providing a smart-ass evasive reply to it, then you tried denying the question's existence, then I reminded you of the question via copy/pasting the wording of it, and since then you've been attempting to redefine what a question is in order to deny it's existence ("a question that Althea doesn't like is somehow not a question")

You REALLY can't help yourself... TOO FUNNY!!!

LOL. So the investment guru has declared defeat.

Baby steps.


There was no question, and you know it.

But this bears repeating

[h=1]Shareholders in Pinnacle West Capital (NYSENW) are in the red if they invested five years ago[/h]

So. You are now out $50k, and you cannot pay your electric bill.

You are a terrible investor

 

[gfm7175]

And for a prepayment of $50k, you can hit your target income of $200/month.

There is no "prepayment". An investment is not a prepayment. Thank GOD you don't work in accounting.

If you say so.

I say so.

It's down 25% in the last five years.

It's up 30% in the last ten years.

Down $2/share since this discussion began.

Up $1.50/share since opening this morning.

He can earn a better return if he puts the $50k in a money market account.

Now you're conveniently ignoring the dividends.

I thought you were an investment genius?

I apparently know more about it than you do.

Of course it is. He's looking for a monthly income. What exactly is the alternative that you suggest?

No it isn't. There are a plethora of ways to get $200/mo in passive income. You're continuing to try to plow your way past the point of this thread to pick out one little small thing so that you can make a mountain out of a mole hill.

The point of this thread was to suggest "a smarter way" to get "free" electricity. The OP suggested investing money into a local utility company instead of effectively prepaying for electricity via rooftop solar panels. IOW, he suggested investing your money instead of using it to prepay for your electricity. And yes, the former is MUCH smarter than the latter.

That's all that this thread is about. Anything beyond that, such as honing in on Pinnacle West specifically in order to make a mountain out of a mole hill is nothing more than a distraction from the overarching point of this thread, which is that investing one's money (and using the investment income to offset the cost of electricity) is smarter than buying rooftop solar panels to effectively prepay for one's electricity usage.

I realize that this is very hard, if not impossible, for liberals to do, but do try to stay focused.

Today it's down.

Nope. It's already up $1.50 today.

That's the way equities work.

You aren't describing anything more than your own cherry picking. You purposely picked a "5 year ago" starting point because PW is currently down 25% from that starting date. However, I can just as easily pick a "10 year ago" starting point and PW is currently up 30% from THAT date. Even more recently speaking, it's currently up 6.5% from 1 month ago. Yup, definitely a "failing company"... all because you cherry picked a particular point in time to reference the current stock price against...

Which is why the 'thought experiment' in the OP is moronic.

I've already explained why the most "moronic" things within this thread are YOUR posts.

Wrong.

Whoops... I forgot that investments in private companies somehow AREN'T investments in private companies... silly me!

Sharks have NEVER gone door to door begging to invest in a private company.

Now you're adding in unnecessary requirements in order to backpedal from your stupid belief that it's not possible to invest in a private company.

You seem to think that you can force private companies to sell you equity.

Besides admitting within your repeated bogus position assignment that it in fact IS possible to invest in private companies (re: selling equity), you seem to think that "angel investing" doesn't exist. You seem to think that "venture capital" doesn't exist even though you claim to religiously watch a TV show about it.

TOO FUNNY

 

[gfm7175]

So you acknowledge that investing in the company suggested is an investment, and not a prepaid expense as you recommend.

Althea seems VERY confused.

 

[Into the Night]

stfu, broken record idiot loser.

You are describing yourself again. You cannot blame YOUR problem on me.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

You are describing yourself again. You cannot blame YOUR problem on me.

fascism is the union of state and corporate power.

dems call it public/private partnership.

reps call it capitalism.

everyone is afraid to use the right word.

because they're both for it.

 

[Into the Night]

There was no question

Blatant lie.

"So, how long do the government bribes (subsidies for wind and solar power) continue, and when they end, what happens?"

Answer the question put to you. Stop evading. You've been evading for two pages now.

 

[Into the Night]

quit being such a fascist fucktoid.

You cannot blame YOUR problem on IBDaMann or anybody else.

 

[gfm7175]

LOL. So the investment guru has declared defeat.

Baby steps.

Continued bogus position assignment.
Continued assumption of victory.

There was no question, and you know it.

Continued denial of history.
Continued denial of the English language.

But this bears repeating

[h=1]Shareholders in Pinnacle West Capital (NYSENW) are in the red if they invested five years ago[/h]

But this bears repeating

[h=1]Shareholders in Pinnacle West Capital (NYSENW) are in the green if they invested ten years ago[/h]

So. You are now out $50k,

Even using your own cherry picked example, 25% ≠ 100%, and one is not actually "out" any money re: such an investment until one sells one's stock at a lower price than one paid for it. You can now add mathematics to the loooong list of things that you are denying just within this thread alone.

Again, Thank GOD you are NOT in the accounting profession.

and you cannot pay your electric bill.

One could pay it with one's dividends alone. YOU'VE ALREADY ADMITTED THIS, but now you're denying it...

You really ARE all over the place, dude... TOO FUNNY

You are a terrible investor

You are a scatterbrained bimbo.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

You cannot blame YOUR problem on IBDaMann or anybody else.

your inability to acknowledge fascism is your problem.

is it because you're for it?

 

[Into the Night]

fascism is the union of state and corporate power.

Redefinition fallacy.

dems call it public/private partnership.

There is none. A meaningless buzzword.

reps call it capitalism.

Capitalism is not fascism. Fascism is a form of socialism.

everyone is afraid to use the right word.

Everyone is wrong except you, right?

because they're both for it.

I am not a socialist. Neither is IBDaMann.

 

[Into the Night]

your inability to acknowledge fascism is your problem.

is it because you're for it?

I do acknowledge fascism exists. Your redefinition is the fallacy. RQAA.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I do acknowledge fascism exists. Your redefinition is the fallacy. RQAA.

it's the definition.

 

[Into the Night]

it's the definition.

Redefinition fallacy.

 

[IBDaMann]

quit being such a fascist fucktoid.

I apologize for inadvertently mixing some government power with corporate power into my rum&coke. It really was an accident. Wait, it was a fascident.