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christiefan915 said:
In response to the idiot who said Christians don't do deadly deeds. But if the discussion was about their deeds, I'd call them the IRA and the British.
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So you say. Keep dancing.


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Diogenes said:
Which ones can you prove were the primary motives in all these cases?


@Grok
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  1. Ideological Motivation: Many Islamist terror groups are motivated by a radical interpretation of Islam that promotes jihad against perceived enemies of Islam. These interpretations often include a desire to establish a Caliphate governed by Sharia law.
  2. Political Grievances:
    • Occupation and Foreign Intervention: The presence of foreign military forces in Muslim countries can be seen as an occupation or interference, fueling resentment and resistance.
    • Support for Oppressive Regimes: Western support for regimes viewed as corrupt or oppressive in the Muslim world can radicalize individuals.
  3. Socio-Economic Factors:
    • Poverty and Lack of Opportunities: Economic deprivation can make extremist ideologies more appealing, especially when coupled with promises of better life conditions or martyrdom.
    • Education and Propaganda: In some regions, radical ideologies are spread through educational systems or local religious teachings, often manipulated by extremist groups.
  4. Revenge and Retaliation: Attacks can be retaliatory, responding to perceived injustices or military actions against Muslim populations, like drone strikes or military campaigns in conflict zones.
  5. Identity and Alienation:
    • Cultural Clash: Feelings of cultural alienation, particularly among diaspora communities, can lead to radicalization as individuals seek identity and belonging.
    • Discrimination and Islamophobia: Experiences of discrimination or perceived hostility towards Muslims can radicalize individuals.
  6. Organizational Dynamics:
    • Recruitment and Indoctrination: Terror groups often have sophisticated recruitment strategies that exploit personal vulnerabilities or grievances.
    • Leadership and Structure: The organizational structure of these groups sometimes promotes or directs acts of terror as a strategy to maintain control, gain visibility, or intimidate.
  7. Globalization and Media: The spread of ideas through the internet and social media has allowed terrorist ideologies to reach a global audience, radicalizing individuals far from conflict zones.

It's important to understand that these reasons do not justify acts of terrorism but rather provide context for why individuals or groups might engage in such activities. Each incident can have its unique blend of these factors, and understanding the specifics often requires looking at the local, regional, and international dynamics at play.

Grok
 
christiefan915 said:
  1. Ideological Motivation: Many Islamist terror groups are motivated by a radical interpretation of Islam that promotes jihad against perceived enemies of Islam. These interpretations often include a desire to establish a Caliphate governed by Sharia law.
    • Occupation and Foreign Intervention: The presence of foreign military forces in Muslim countries can be seen as an occupation or interference, fueling resentment and resistance.
    • Support for Oppressive Regimes: Western support for regimes viewed as corrupt or oppressive in the Muslim world can radicalize individuals.
  2. Revenge and Retaliation: Attacks can be retaliatory, responding to perceived injustices or military actions against Muslim populations, like drone strikes or military campaigns in conflict zones.
    • Cultural Clash: Feelings of cultural alienation, particularly among diaspora communities, can lead to radicalization as individuals seek identity and belonging.
    • Discrimination and Islamophobia: Experiences of discrimination or perceived hostility towards Muslims can radicalize individuals.
  3. Globalization and Media: The spread of ideas through the internet and social media has allowed terrorist ideologies to reach a global audience, radicalizing individuals far from conflict zones.

It's important to understand that these reasons do not justify acts of terrorism but rather provide context for why individuals or groups might engage in such activities. Each incident can have its unique blend of these factors, and understanding the specifics often requires looking at the local, regional, and international dynamics at play.

Grok
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I'll repeat the question. Which ones can you prove were the primary motives in all those cases?
 
Diogenes said:
So you say. Keep dancing.


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Grok understands the difference between "Islamist" and "Muslim." You don't.
  • Controversy and Misuse: The label "Islamist" is sometimes used pejoratively or inaccurately in media or political discourse to suggest extremism or terrorism, which can lead to misunderstandings about the diverse and often non-violent nature of many Islamist movements.

  • Relation to Islam: It's important to differentiate between "Islamist" (pertaining to political movements) and "Muslim" (relating to followers of the religion of Islam). Not all Muslims are Islamists, and not all Islamists adhere to the same interpretations of Islam.

  • When discussing Islamist movements, it's crucial to approach the subject with nuance, recognizing the diversity of ideologies, practices, and goals within this broad category. Always be mindful of the context in which the term is used and the specific groups or ideologies being referenced.
 
christiefan915 said:
That's a bullshit answer. If you drive a car into a random group of people, you don't know what their religious beliefs are. And your claim of Islam being a religion of violence and murder is bigotry at its finest.
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This is a map of current world conflicts.

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Guess what over 90% of them have in common.
 
A WHITE neo-Nazi i Charlotteville drove through a bunch of peaceful protesters. We have to do something about white people in America. Killed one and injured 35. Why do we allow white people freedom and let them drive cars?
 
Nordberg said:
A WHITE neo-Nazi i Charlotteville drove through a bunch of peaceful protesters. We have to do something about white people in America. Killed one and injured 35. Why do we allow white people freedom and let them drive cars?
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He was an asshole. I hope they shot him. Better yet, I hope a bystander shot him.
Why is it always the racists who bring up race? Neo-Nazis are not a part of us.
Why do we allow you freedom and let you drive cars? You're a fool...
 
RB 60 said:
He was an asshole. I hope they shot him. Better yet, I hope a bystander shot him.
Why is it always the racists who bring up race? Neo-Nazis are not a part of us.
Why do we allow you freedom and let you drive cars? You're a fool...
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Nazis are part of the right, They are your peeps. However the point of the thread is that you cannot blame Muslims for the actions of a few, You cannot blame all rights for the actions of the massive Nazi army in America. You are such a child. Try and do better.
 
Nordberg said:
Nazis are part of the right, They are your peeps. However the point of the thread is that you cannot blame Muslims for the actions of a few, You cannot blame all rights for the actions of the massive Nazi army in America. You are such a child. Try and do better.
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Cry.
 
christiefan915 said:
You said that Islam tells its believers to kill infidels, so why did you mention that in regard to the driver in Germany? Furthermore, nothing in the Qur'an says that Muslims won't be punished for killing, or that they'll get virgins in the afterlife. Again, that's bigotry raising its ugly head.
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Anybody that needs to have what he himself said explained to him might prove difficult to converse with

Haw, haw, haw, haw..................haw, haw........................haw.
 
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