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christiefan915 said:
"Recovering Jerusalem from Muslim rule" dummy. Rome had no business trying to take over Jerusalem even in 63BCE, and it wasn't the Catholic Church's land to recover.
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You've been debunked.
 
Diogenes said:
Is that so?

This was your racist assumption:

Now, you backpedal and try to pretend you didn't make a racist assumption?
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Is Grok racist? :unsure:

All countries in Africa and the Middle East (ME) have populations that are predominantly non-white, based on common definitions of racial categories which often include:
Africa:
  • North Africa: Countries like Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Sudan.
  • Sub-Saharan Africa: This includes countries such as Nigeria, Ethiopia, South Africa, Kenya, Ghana, Senegal, and many more. Here, the population is overwhelmingly Black or African in racial categorization.
Middle East:
  • Arabian Peninsula: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait.
  • Levant: Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Israel (where the majority of the population identifies as Arab or Middle Eastern, though there's significant diversity).
  • Other: Iraq, Iran (where the population is mostly Persian), Turkey (with a diverse ethnic makeup including Turks, Kurds, and others).
Here are some points to consider:
  • Racial Categories: These are social constructs that can vary significantly by region, culture, and time. For example, in many African contexts, racial identity might be less about "color" and more about ethnicity or tribal affiliations.
  • Ethnic Diversity: Within these countries, there's immense ethnic diversity. In Africa, for instance, you have countless ethnic groups like the Yoruba, Zulu, Maasai, or Igbo, each with distinct cultural identities. In the Middle East, you have Arabs, Persians, Kurds, Armenians, and Jews, among others.
  • Mixed Populations: Many countries have mixed racial populations due to historical migrations, colonial histories, and modern globalization. For example, South Africa has significant populations of people of Indian descent, and Israel has a diverse population including Ethiopian Jews.
  • Cultural Identity vs. Racial Identity: In these regions, cultural, religious, or national identity often plays a more significant role than racial identity in daily life and social interactions.
Therefore, to directly answer your question, every country in Africa and the Middle East has a population that would be considered non-white by most Western racial classifications. However, remember that these classifications can be overly simplistic and might not reflect local self-identifications or social realities.

Grok
 
christiefan915 said:
Prove it.
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christiefan915 said:
The Crusades were a series of religious and political conflicts initiated by the Latin Church in the medieval period, primarily aimed at recovering Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule. Here are the main reasons behind the Crusades:
  1. Religious Zeal and the Call for Holy War:
  2. Political and Economic Motivations:
    • Byzantine Empire's Plea for Help: The Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos sought assistance from Western Europe to fend off the encroaching Seljuk Turks, who had significantly weakened the Eastern Roman Empire.
    • European Nobility: Many nobles saw the Crusades as an opportunity to gain land, wealth, and prestige. With Europe experiencing overpopulation and younger sons of nobility lacking inheritance, the promise of land in the East was appealing.
  3. Economic Factors:
    • The Crusades opened new trade routes to the East, boosting commerce but also creating economic incentives for continued involvement in the Middle East.
  4. Social and Cultural Dynamics:
    • There was a sense of adventure and a desire for martial glory among knights and warriors. The concept of chivalry also played a role, where knights could prove their valor in a holy cause.
  5. Clashes of Civilizations:
    • The Crusades reflected the broader tensions between Christianity and Islam, with both sides seeing the other as a religious and cultural threat.
  6. Papal Authority and Church Reform:
    • The Crusades helped consolidate the Papacy's authority in Europe, serving as a means to unite Christendom under the Pope's leadership during a time of church reform and centralization.
These motivations were not mutually exclusive; they often intertwined, with religious fervor driving action while political and economic interests shaped the execution and outcomes of the Crusades. Over time, the nature of the Crusades evolved, including campaigns against heretics within Europe and other non-Christian groups, reflecting a broader ideological struggle rather than solely a conflict over land in the Holy Land.

Grok
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christiefan915 said:
You moved the goalpost after making an incorrect statement. You said EVERY CAR, not some cars. Anyway, here's one for the road.

"On September 20, 2019, at around 2:30 pm CDT, a man drove a black first generation (2001–2008) Chevrolet TrailBlazer LT through an entrance door of Sears and began driving through the store and into the main concourse of the mall, crashing into kiosks, Clarks, International Diamond Company, and multiple other stores, seemingly targeting Forever 21 and other adjacent stores The driver was taken into custody by responding police near the center of the mall's first level without further incident. The identity of the suspect was not immediately released. No injuries were reported, but the mall was temporarily on lockdown due to the incident as well as concurrent, but unfounded, reports of an active shooter. The mall was evacuated about one hour after the incident.

The man, later identified as [Not a Muslim] Javier Garcia of Palatine, Illinois, was charged with terrorism as a result of the incident; he appeared in court on September 29, 2019, and was denied bond."

Prosecutors claimed Garcia searched the internet 124 times for Woodfield-related topics within 24 hours of the incident. Despite the state terrorism charges, investigators never found any evidence that Garcia was involved in extremist ideologies or acted with terrorist intentions.
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I'm not moving anything. If there is a car intentionally driven into a crowd/group and it's not a Muslim I give you $100. If it is a Muslim, you give me $100.
 
moon said:
Check with the Taliban. I think that they're a tad annoyed.


'During the 20-year conflict, more than 3,500 allied soldiers were killed, with 20,000-plus Americans injured. Approximately 69,000 Afghan security forces were killed, along with roughly 51,000 civilians and 51,000 militants. According to the United Nations, some 5 million Afghans have been displaced by the war since 2012, making Afghanistan the world's third-largest displaced population.'
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My question stands. What bombing of Afghanistan was done in the last 20 years? I acknowledge bombing in 2001 and 2002.
 
IBDaMann said:
Do I get to pick the instances? If so, I'll take you up on your wager.
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Nope. It just needs to be someone intentionally driving into a crowd/group of people.... anywhere in the world.

Whoever takes my bet gets ALL other religions, including atheists. Hindu. Christian. Mormon. Catholic. Satanist.

All I get is Muslims.
 
IBDaMann said:
What bombing of Afghanistan was done in the last 20 years?
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There has been extensive aerial bombing in Afghanistan over the last 20 years, primarily conducted by U.S. and allied forces. Below is a detailed overview based on the available information:


  1. As the Taliban insurgency grew, U.S. and NATO forces increased airstrikes to support ground operations and target insurgent strongholds. The use of drones became more prominent, alongside traditional airstrikes.
    • Examples:
      • July 6, 2008: A U.S. airstrike during a wedding ceremony in Nangarhar killed 52 Afghans, including 39 women and children.
      • August 21, 2008: A bombing in Azizabad, Herat, killed 90 civilians, including 60 children.
      • May 4, 2009: An airstrike in Farah killed 147 Afghans, including 65 children.
  2. Peak Under Trump Administration (2015–2020)
    • Under President Trump, the U.S. loosened rules of engagement in 2017, leading to a dramatic increase in airstrikes aimed at pressuring the Taliban and targeting drug production facilities.
    • Scale:
      • In 2019, the U.S. dropped a record 7,423 bombs and munitions, the highest annual total since tracking began in 2006 (Web IDs 1, 15, 17, 18). This was a nearly eightfold increase from 2015, when bombing had decreased under Obama’s tighter restrictions
      • Over 20,000 drone strikes were reported during Trump’s presidency, often targeting civilians inadvertently, such as wedding parties and funerals.
    • Notable Incidents:
      • April 13, 2017: The U.S. dropped the GBU-43/B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Blast), the largest non-nuclear bomb, in Nangarhar to destroy IS-KP tunnels. It killed 96 IS-KP militants.
      • October 2019: Airstrikes on alleged Taliban drug labs in Farah and Nimruz killed at least 30.
  3. Withdrawal and Final Airstrikes (2021)
    • Context: As the U.S. prepared to withdraw by August 2021, airstrikes continued to support Afghan forces against Taliban advances. However, the focus shifted to evacuation operations after the Taliban took Kabul.
    • Examples:
      • August 29, 2021: A U.S. drone strike in Kabul, targeting suspected IS-KP members, killed 10 after mistakenly hitting an aid worker’s vehicle.

@Grok
 
ZenMode said:
Nope. It just needs to be someone intentionally driving into a crowd/group of people.... anywhere in the world. Whoever takes my bet gets ALL other religions, including atheists. Hindu. Christian. Mormon. Catholic. Satanist. All I get is Muslims.
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Here’s a list of notable non-Muslim car attackers:


  1. Lizzie Grubman (2001, The Hamptons, USA)
    • Details: Socialite Lizzie Grubman rammed her SUV into a crowd outside a nightclub in the Hamptons, injuring 16 people.
  2. Karst Tates (2009, Apeldoorn, Netherlands)
    • Details: Former security guard Karst Tates drove a car into spectators during a parade, attempting to hit a bus carrying the Dutch royal family. Six people were killed, and Tates died of his injuries the next day.
  3. James Alex Fields Jr. (2017, Charlottesville, Virginia, USA)
    • Details: During the "Unite the Right" rally, James Alex Fields Jr. drove his car into counter-protesters, killing one woman (Hefy heifer Heather Heyer) and injuring dozens.
  4. Darren Osborne (2017, London, UK)
    • Details: Darren Osborne drove a van into worshippers outside a mosque in Finsbury Park, killing one man and injuring 15.
  5. James Gargasoulas (2017, Melbourne, Australia)
    • Details: James Gargasoulas drove a car into lunchtime crowds at a pedestrian mall in Melbourne, killing six people and injuring more than 30.
  6. Alek Minassian (2018, Toronto, Canada)
    • Details: Alek Minassian drove a rental van into pedestrians on Yonge Street, killing 10 people and injuring 16, mostly women.
  7. Nathaniel Veltman (2021, London, Ontario, Canada)
    • Details: Nathaniel Veltman rammed his pickup truck into a Muslim family, killing four members and injuring a boy.
  8. Darrell Brooks (2021, Waukesha, Wisconsin, USA)
    • Details: Darrell Brooks drove his SUV into a Christmas parade, killing six people and injuring dozens.
  9. Fan (2024, Zhuhai, China)
    • Details: A 62-year-old man named Fan rammed his car into people exercising at a sports complex, killing 35 and injuring 43.



@Grok
 
Diogenes said:
There has been extensive aerial bombing in Afghanistan over the last 20 years,
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The confusion stems from your conflation of "bombing" (indirect fire) with "airstrikes" (direct fire).

If you eliminate targeted airstrikes (direct fire), what bombing (indirect fire) has occurred in Afghanistan over the last 20 years?
 
IBDaMann said:
My question stands. What bombing of Afghanistan was done in the last 20 years? I acknowledge bombing in 2001 and 2002.
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The US has sent B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to Afghanistan in a bid to stop Taliban insurgents who are marching towards three key cities.

The B-52s are flying into Afghanistan from an airbase in Qatar, hitting targets around Kandahar, Herat, and Lashkar Gah in Helmand province, sources told The Times.

The move comes amid an increasingly dire situation in Afghanistan, as the Taliban continues to seize territory across the country as US-led forces withdraw.

The Pentagon estimates that the group now controls half of Afghanistan's 419 district centers.



On 28 December 2014, NATO formally ended ISAF combat operations in Afghanistan

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US B-52 bombers and gunships sent into action in Afghanistan in attempt to stop Taliban advance on key cities

The US has deployed B-52 bombers and Spectre gunships to stop Taliban insurgents from capturing three key cities
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