Advice for my fellow liberals and progressives.

Mina

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I've noticed a tendency for liberals and progressives to talk about racial inequities as if talking about them will win people over to their cause, but I think it tends to do the opposite. It may not be fair, but when an issue is framed as being particularly important for racial minorities, it will tend to trigger reflexive opposition from white people.

For example, picture I'm trying to sell an idea for subsidized childcare. I'd be wise to focus on it being a way to boost labor participation, by making work outside the home more economically viable for poorer people. With that sales pitch, I may get some cross-over support from conservatives and independents. But if I try to sell the exact same idea and focus on how currently the high price of childcare disproportionately affects people of color, and argue that therefore these subsidies would boost racial equity, I may as well be digging a grave for my idea.

Liberals and progressives tend to think that "and it'll be good for people of color" is a strong selling point, but it's a death knell for the kinds of people you need to win over. When at all possible, pitch your policies in racially neutral ways -- with no reference at all to race, if you can. Resist the urge to even throw it in as an "added benefit." As soon as your idea is seen as a way of helping "those people," you're screwed.

That even shows up when dealing with something like efforts to defeat COVID. If you sell an idea as a way to shut down the virus and get us all back to our regular lives faster, you may win converts. If, instead, you focus on the racial disparities of COVID, which has been killing people of color in higher numbers, you wind up alienating the people you need to convince. As soon as they see effort as being focused on helping racial minorities, they'll want no part of it:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362200257X

I think this is a huge part of why the US is such an outlier among wealthy nations. Most rich countries have a lot more social spending relative to GDP, because those things are perceived simply as a way to pool resources to improve quality of life across the whole population. But in the US, we have a tendency to discuss similar ideas in terms of dealing with systemic racism. When most white people see a program as doing more for non-white people, they become hostile to it, even if they, themselves, would also benefit.
 
I've noticed a tendency for liberals and progressives to talk about racial inequities as if talking about them will win people over to their cause, but I think it tends to do the opposite. It may not be fair, but when an issue is framed as being particularly important for racial minorities, it will tend to trigger reflexive opposition from white people.

or you idiots could come to terms with the fact that if you insult people with terms like racist that do not apply to them, you will piss them off and they will turn away from you
 
or you idiots could come to terms with the fact that if you insult people with terms like racist that do not apply to them, you will piss them off and they will turn away from you

My intent is to reach liberals and progressive here, not the kind of person who thinks the real racism is acknowledging the existence of racism.
 
My intent is to reach liberals and progressive here, not the kind of person who thinks the real racism is acknowledging the existence of racism.

everybody over the age of 12 knows that racism exists..........calling everyone that disagrees with you on policies about race a 'racist' turns people away from you. try acknowledging that.
 
I've noticed a tendency for liberals and progressives to talk about racial inequities as if talking about them will win people over to their cause, but I think it tends to do the opposite. It may not be fair, but when an issue is framed as being particularly important for racial minorities, it will tend to trigger reflexive opposition from white people.

For example, picture I'm trying to sell an idea for subsidized childcare. I'd be wise to focus on it being a way to boost labor participation, by making work outside the home more economically viable for poorer people. With that sales pitch, I may get some cross-over support from conservatives and independents. But if I try to sell the exact same idea and focus on how currently the high price of childcare disproportionately affects people of color, and argue that therefore these subsidies would boost racial equity, I may as well be digging a grave for my idea.

Liberals and progressives tend to think that "and it'll be good for people of color" is a strong selling point, but it's a death knell for the kinds of people you need to win over. When at all possible, pitch your policies in racially neutral ways -- with no reference at all to race, if you can. Resist the urge to even throw it in as an "added benefit." As soon as your idea is seen as a way of helping "those people," you're screwed.

That even shows up when dealing with something like efforts to defeat COVID. If you sell an idea as a way to shut down the virus and get us all back to our regular lives faster, you may win converts. If, instead, you focus on the racial disparities of COVID, which has been killing people of color in higher numbers, you wind up alienating the people you need to convince. As soon as they see effort as being focused on helping racial minorities, they'll want no part of it:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362200257X

I think this is a huge part of why the US is such an outlier among wealthy nations. Most rich countries have a lot more social spending relative to GDP, because those things are perceived simply as a way to pool resources to improve quality of life across the whole population. But in the US, we have a tendency to discuss similar ideas in terms of dealing with systemic racism. When most white people see a program as doing more for non-white people, they become hostile to it, even if they, themselves, would also benefit.

There is no use in appealing to racist people



They need to be shamed out of decent society

They are brain diseased


Who cares what they vote for


Merely crush them for the scum they are
 
There is no use in appealing to racist people

They need to be shamed out of decent society

They are brain diseased

Who cares what they vote for

Merely crush them for the scum they are

lets compare the number of black faces you and I have spit in.............racist
 
everybody over the age of 12 knows that racism exists..........calling everyone that disagrees with you on policies about race a 'racist' turns people away from you. try acknowledging that.

I've never encountered anyone who calls everyone who disagrees with her on policies about race a racist, so it seems like a hypothetical point.
 
everybody over the age of 12 knows that racism exists..........calling everyone that disagrees with you on policies about race a 'racist' turns people away from you. try acknowledging that.

We don’t let you racists define racism


That would be like letting child abusers define child abuse

You are the problem



I don’t fucking care about what you say

You are scum
 
Racists don’t need to be embraced


They need to be shunned by decent society



They need to climb into the sewer where they belong


Before we stomp them into the curb and kick them down into the sewer
 
There is no use in appealing to racist people



They need to be shamed out of decent society

They are brain diseased


Who cares what they vote for


Merely crush them for the scum they are

I'm not going to dispute the fact they're scum, but I think you're wrong about there being no use in appealing to them. I think that as a practical matter nothing gets done in this country without winning over a number of fairly mild racists. So, we'd do wise to think about how to appeal to them on policies in ways that do not put them in a racist mode of thinking. Clearly, once they perceive a policy as being Black people versus white people, we're not going to win them over. But when we can frame a policy in terms of how it helps white people (without making them thing of how it helps Black people even more), we've got a shot. Shoving the racial aspect in their face puts them in the exact mindset where they can't be appealed to.
 
lets compare the number of black faces you and I have spit in.............racist

So because he was black I should have not stood up for my self?


Do you understand what you are saying


What you are saying is fucking racist asshole



I treated him like he was a sixteen year old white girl buying drugs in my hood



How is that racist idiot



Just like I said


This is an example of why we don’t let you racists define racism


You don’t understand what is fair
 
or you idiots could come to terms with the fact that if you insult people with terms like racist that do not apply to them, you will piss them off and they will turn away from you

You and ExpressFart have shown yourselves to be racist yesterday. Own it.
 
I saw two people doing a drug deal


I stopped it

And the guy buying tried to scare me because he was a great big guy and I was a middle aged chick



He tried to spit in my face


I dodged it


And spit in his face



I stood down a man twice my size because I was willing to treat him like I would have treated a sixteen year

skinny white girl



You hate me for that


Guess what


I sent him running and afraid to come back in my hood



The drug dealer never used my hood again


Can you guess why?



You think I should have run in fear because he was A very large black man?



He was a person to me


I treated him as such you stupid fucking racist scum
 
My intent is to reach liberals and progressive here, not the kind of person who thinks the real racism is acknowledging the existence of racism.

But in your OP you wanted to appeal to people who are racists
 
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