Air Traffic Controllers Warned US Army Helicopter Ahead Of Crash

Jarod said:
What does that have to do with him saying anyone was incompetent due to D.E.I.?
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Nothing. The MAGA morons don't understand there are two pilots aboard each aircraft and that, due to Republican underfunding of the FAA, controllers are in short supply and have been for years. In the case of the helicopter, the CWO was the instructor and, therefore, ultimately responsible for the safety of the flight regardless of rank.

Another factor that dates back even further is the downsizing of the military after the Cold War ended. Prior to that most airline pilots and ATC came from the military all without school training debt.
 
volsrocks said:

Air Traffic Controllers Warned US Army Helicopter Ahead Of Crash: Audio

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So who was the pilot of the helicopter that ignored the warning?
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What warning?
volsrocks said:
The helicopter was going on a straight line towards the plane....why?
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Normal helicopter flight path through that corridor.
volsrocks said:
A clear night the plane had bright lights flashing and the tower warned the helicopter and that warning was ignored...why?
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Beacons become almost invisible when viewed against a citiscape from the air.
ATC never gave a proper traffic conflict warning.
 
Bigdog said:
Theory from a reddit thread ...

" discussion between a Blackhawk helicopter pilot who actually flies that route regularly and people who work air traffic control. Of course investigation is ongoing but here seems to be a theory of what happened between those who know that airport and routes around it based on what is known...

Helicopter pilot was flying an airway called Helo 4. It puts them in front of landing traffic, but aircraft here are suppose to be 200 feet or under which keeps them below that traffic. There are two runways that are accepting approaches from the same general direction, Runway 1 and runway 33. Runway 1 is the more common one used at this airport. American was initially expected to land on rwy 1 but was asked to move over to rwy 33 a few moments before the incident (this can be heard on the audio below).

Aircraft were expected to maintain visual separation. That means that once the pilot confirms that they have other traffic in sight, ATC expects them to take the responsibility to stay clear of each other.

Blackhawk seemed to confirm that they had American in sight, but may have not been aware that they had moved over to runway 33. In this case, they may have been looking at traffic inbound for runway 1 thinking they were seeing the aircraft mentioned by ATC. Meaning that they were looking at the wrong plane and thinking proximity wasn't a factor."

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It was reported that the accident occurred between 200 and 400 ft..
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Unfortunately, the traffic warning did not specify any direction or direction of flight or altitude. The helicopter acknowledged only seeing "the traffic" and may very well have been thinking another airplane they DID see was the "traffic'. Further, it did not give the airline pilot any legit traffic conflict warning either.

Since the accident, HELO4 is closed, possible permanently.
 
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Random quote. No apparent coherency.
 
Althea said:
Nope. Chopper never responded. Hegseth is a drunk who ordered all communications to be shut down during training.
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No drunkeness, moron. The helicopter did respond to the casually worded traffic alert. Even though the helicopter was operating VFR, it was in contact with ATC at the time (being that it was transiting the airspace of the airport).
 
The safety record at that airport is actually pretty amazingly good considering the amount of traffic it handles. The fact is they need another airport to reduce the congestion, and that is all their is to it. blaming low paid employees for everything is just the usual lie that gets peddled. It's all about bad management and poor working conditions, period.
 
EdwinA said:
The safety record at that airport is actually pretty amazingly good considering the amount of traffic it handles.
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It certainly is! :thumbsup:
EdwinA said:
The fact is they need another airport to reduce the congestion, and that is all their is to it. blaming low paid employees for everything is just the usual lie that gets peddled. It's all about bad management and poor working conditions, period.
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Air traffic controllers can make up to $120,000. These aren't retail clerks, dude.
 
EdwinA said:
The safety record at that airport is actually pretty amazingly good considering the amount of traffic it handles. The fact is they need another airport to reduce the congestion, and that is all their is to it. blaming low paid employees for everything is just the usual lie that gets peddled. It's all about bad management and poor working conditions, period.
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Fact Check: Average air traffic controller pay is $140K.

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Air Traffic Controllers

Air traffic controllers coordinate the movement of aircraft to maintain safe distances between them.
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