Air Traffic Controllers Warned US Army Helicopter Ahead Of Crash

[Into the Night]

And? In many regions, like D.C., that isn't much money at all. Minimum wage would be around $80K a year in D.C., adjusted for cost of living there. It wouldn't be much in a lot of cities here. I realize it might look like a lot to ideologues who think all proles should work for free, though.

Minimum wage in Washington DC is currently $35,000/yr.

 

[Into the Night]

It seems rather apparent that of what the helicopter pilot had a visual, and about what the ATC was discussing, were different things. The ATC was responsible for demanding, in no uncertain terms, that the helicopter pilot change course immediately to avoid collision. The ATC was totally at fault.

The helicopter pilot was ALSO at fault. The helicopter was operating under VFR.

 

[Into the Night]

Its not clear to me that the controller had the information that the copter was out of its permitted airpace,

The helicopter was following a corridor set aside for such use. It was inside that corridor at the time of the crash.

thats what the "flying dark" is about.....the controller was trusting that the copter was following the rules.

WRONG. The controller has a radar display of the entire situation.

I am at this point putting this almost all on the copter pilot and the Warrant Officer who failed to take command....the pilot was either extremely incompetent or conducting a terrorist attack.....I suspect the WO did not save the day because these days taking remedial action with a woman connected to power.....as this one was.....tends to get one in trouble with superiors.

It was not a terrorist attack, moron.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you saying neither the chopper nor the plane had no radar of their own? Neither saw each other?

Neither had traffic radar of their own. Neither saw each other.

 

[Into the Night]

I have heard at least a dozen flight experts say that the instructions from the controller were not precise.

I believe they are correct.

They did not include the runway that the heliopcopter pilot was asked about.

Traffic conflict alerts do not mention any runways, unless the alert is for ground taxiing traffic.

The helicopter pilot acknowledged a visual on the adjacent runway.

No. The helicopter pilot only acknowledged a visual. It likely could have been a plane taking off. There is no adjacent runway to 33 at DCA.

If you ever wander onto an airport and see white lights on each side of you, you are in big trouble.

Why? I've gone into busy airports, and there are large aircraft everywhere. Big deal.

That happened at the ATL Airport.

What?

 

[Into the Night]

Sybil, like many JPP MAGAts, is irrational.

MAGA isn't a person, Sybil.

 

[EdwinA]

Minimum wage in Washington DC is currently $35,000/yr.

Yes, not nearly keeping up with real inflation. It even less than than what it should be in the cheap cost of living regions, which should be around $50K +, probably lot higher now with the Biden inflation scams now running amuck.

 

[EdwinA]

The helicopter pilot was ALSO at fault. The helicopter was operating under VFR.

I keep hearing it was something like 200 feet higher than it was supposed to fly at. I guess we'll see when the reports come out; all rumor and innuendo now.

 

[IBDaMann]

Are you saying neither the chopper nor the plane had no radar of their own? Neither saw each other?

I'm saying that controlling the air traffic is the air traffic controller's job and responsibility. Prior to the collision, the air traffic controller needed to be controlling the air traffic by expressly informing the helicopter pilot that he was on a collision course and how specifically to adjust course. If the air traffic controller had done that, and the helicopter pilot had simply ignored the controller, then it would have been the helicopter pilot's fault. As it stands, the air traffic controller did not control the air traffic and allowed a collision. The DEI hires don't appear to have any wiggle room.

 

[IBDaMann]

Minimum wage in Washington DC is currently $35,000/yr.

Correct.

Annualized Minimum Wage in
Washington DC: $36,400
Maryland: $31,200

 

[IBDaMann]

What error? That it missed 's'? Wow she really got me allright.

That's all you had to say.

 

[IBDaMann]

The helicopter pilot was ALSO at fault.

I acknowledge that the helicopter pilot made an error. Nonetheless, we're not talking about who's at fault for the pilot flying visual; that would be the helicopter pilot. We're discussing who's at fault for the collision. That falls squarely on the ATC who was responsible for controlling that traffic.

The helicopter was operating under VFR.

He should have been told to change course.

 

[AProudLefty]

That's all you had to say.

Did I? Misplacing my finger on the phone and I had to admit my error to her which by the way sucks at English as a "teacher" which you yourself didn't correct.

Dunce boy.

 

[IBDaMann]

Did I?

Wrong question. The correct question is "Was it?" The answer is Yes.

 

[AProudLefty]

Wrong question. The correct question is "Was it?" The answer is Yes.

I notice thar you ignored the rest of my post. @TOP is exempt from your criticism?

 

[AProudLefty]

"Photo hop" is what got them triggered?

 

[Hawkeye10]

I acknowledge that the helicopter pilot made an error. Nonetheless, we're not talking about who's at fault for the pilot flying visual; that would be the helicopter pilot. We're discussing who's at fault for the collision. That falls squarely on the ATC who was responsible for controlling that traffic.


He should have been told to change course.

The controller was lied to by the copter crew......NO.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It seems rather apparent that of what the helicopter pilot had a visual, and about what the ATC was discussing, were different things. The ATC was responsible for demanding, in no uncertain terms, that the helicopter pilot change course immediately to avoid collision. The ATC was totally at fault.

in what ATC manual are you getting that supposed directive from?????

 

[SlaveForChrist]

I acknowledge that the helicopter pilot made an error. Nonetheless, we're not talking about who's at fault for the pilot flying visual; that would be the helicopter pilot. We're discussing who's at fault for the collision. That falls squarely on the ATC who was responsible for controlling that traffic.


He should have been told to change course.

Um no. The ATC was misinformed by the incompetent inexperienced female pilot who claimed she had visual on the plane, and then crashed into it because she lied.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I need to see it nailed down how many hours the so-called experienced pilot, the Warrant Officer.....the evaluator on this flight, had.

We have been told 1500.....but I have also seen it claimed 1000.....which is not particularly experienced.....it is just barely experienced.

The copter was too high, it was flying too fast....they lied to the controller....I have seen it said that they were also a half mile off the track they should have been on ....

This is shaping up to look like command should have never done this mission with these two people.