Air Traffic Controllers Warned US Army Helicopter Ahead Of Crash

Of course. Uncontrolled airspace exists, however those flying in uncontrolled airspace understand this. There isn't the same volume of traffic either. In towered space, submission to the tower is the norm, with the expectation that the tower will provide the necessary coordination, advisory and warnings.
That's class B for you! Yes. A pilot MUST obtain clearance to enter class B airspace. While in that airspace, you are under positive control, even when flying VFR.
I concede this point. I am the one who bashes on DEI hires.
And I don't blame you the slightest! I bash them too. It's racism, pure and simple. It's Affirmative Action racism taken to stupid extremes.
I have been screwed over by the double-whammy, i.e. having reduced promotion potential from decreased organizational performance due to an influx of DEI hires, and then losing out on promotions to those same DEI hires who were given both priority and lowered standards to which to adhere.
So have I. It's unfortunately common practice. At least it's ending in the Federal government (thank you Trump!).
 
That's not possible. I am citing the regulation which is to be taken completely literally. It isn't merely a suggestion and no artistic interpretations are permitted.
Bingo!
You have been a tower controller.
I'm doubting his claim, considering how he is justifying improper and illegal procedure.
You have also been a political partisan. Guess which one is at play in this case. When a supposed air traffic controller dismisses the FAA air traffic controller manual in order to blame a pilot for a collision in which the tower issued no collision warning and no course correction instruction, I know that this is a partisan speaking, not a professional air traffic controller.
I'm beginning to doubt he was ANY kind of air traffic controller...ever. He doesn't seem to know any of the regulations surrounding ATC.
Again, you are ignoring the egregious violations of the tower in saying that tower did "everything correct." Just say "I HATE TRUMP AND I WILL FALL ON MY SWORD FOR DEI HIRES."

Your position is absurd.
That it is. It is why I doubt his story that he was ever an air traffic controller.
 
I must have misread. Thank you.
No problem. That's an easy one to miss! :thumbsup:

The hilarious side of visual signalling:

The light gun that is used is in the upper tower cab, usually mounted on a hangar near the window operating position. This position at a place like DCA is normally occupied by the ground and clearance controller(s). An air controller is also often up there to visually watch runway activity and aircraft on final approach or just taking off, but this can be simply the radar controller instead. He's on the floor below in a darkened room with no windows, so light guns are pretty useless to him!

The light gun signals themselves follow a short table. They are so rarely used, however, that both pilot and controller often forget what they are! I've used them myself (going into KMSP, or Minneapolis airport) when I had to take an aircraft in there that had no working radio. I can easily see in my mind's eye the tower controller going, "Oh shit! What's that light gun code again???". Fortunately, there's a little card next to the light to remind him. The pilot often doesn't have one handy! Students are taught these signals, but the memory of them fades over time pretty quickly, they are so little used.

The MSP controller handled it ok, but I could see he was a little unsteady on the light gun! He wasn't used to using it!

The reason for the NORDO approach (no radio) to MSP was that I was flying a busted aircraft to MSP to get it's electrical system fixed. While it was there, I also welded a hole in one of the exhaust stacks and helped to debug the electrical system fault. As always for such a flight, you call ahead to someplace like MSP to warn them you are coming without a radio. Cell phones sure make this easier!

It was sure nice to have a radio again!



During busy airshows, the 'tower' (often just a trailer sitting on the field somewhere!) is augmented by a couple of guys on the runway itself with green and red paddles to signal aircraft.

We have one airport here in Washington that uses such a trailer as the permanent tower! It sits BELOW the runway. He can't see the runway from the 'tower'! He simply watches the air around the airport and leaves planes to taxi for themselves (it's not that busy an airport!).

Another airport here has limited operating hours for the tower. They close at night, leaving the airspace uncontrolled.
Pilots simply announce their intentions to each other as they approach, land, or take off. Again, taxiing is up to you.

Y'all be careful out there!
 
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I'll have to disbelieve you on that claim!

The regulations on the phraseology to be used and what traffic advisories is very clearly specified. ATC did NOT conduct proper operating procedure.

The tower controller did NOT follow proper operating procedure.

The helicopter pilot is also a share of blame here, since the helicopter was operating VFR at the time.
what claim do you choose to disbelieve? That I was an Air Traffic Controller?
 
That's not possible. I am citing the regulation which is to be taken completely literally. It isn't merely a suggestion and no artistic interpretations are permitted.


You have been a tower controller. You have also been a political partisan. Guess which one is at play in this case. When a supposed air traffic controller dismisses the FAA air traffic controller manual in order to blame a pilot for a collision in which the tower issued no collision warning and no course correction instruction, I know that this is a partisan speaking, not a professional air traffic controller.


Again, you are ignoring the egregious violations of the tower in saying that tower did "everything correct." Just say "I HATE TRUMP AND I WILL FALL ON MY SWORD FOR DEI HIRES."

Your position is absurd.
The regulation you are discussing and taking literally cannot be performed as you believe it to be. If by political partisan you mean 'I hate both parties', then you would be correct, but there is no bias at play here. By the audio I heard, the controller did not make any errors.
 
Random phrase. LIF. Denial of logic.

More rubbish, can't face facts.
Corporations don't 'buy protection' from competition. A corporation is simply a business structure. Labor is paid according to market wages, other than the price controls imposed by government (fascism). Price controls don't work. They always cause shortages.

More rubbish. Limiting owner liabilty and personal responsibility is the whole point of incorporating, creating a fictional persona tp protect the owners from their own bad decisions.
You are. You are are idealogically a socialist. Socialism doesn't work. It is based on theft.

lol more nonsense; can't face reality, needs strawmen.
Random phrase. LIF. Denial of logic.

More fallacy fallacies.
Fallacy fallacy.

You did.

Corporations is not racketeering. Redefinition fallacy.

More desperate nonsense. Corporations conspire to drive down wages via non compete agreements; few ever get taken to court for their market rigging.
You worried about off-shoring?? Blame Clinton. Fortunately, that's finally going to come to an end under Trump.

More deflection. REpublicns never did much to prevent it, mostly they supported it.

Leftists lost, moron.

You're the moron; you think corporations are for free markets n stuff. They aren't, they loves them some Red Chinese commies and slave labor.

So? That's irrelevant.

RINOs are just Democrats flying a false flag.

You mean the ones you don;t like. Not the same thing. There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the organization of a socialist govt. and a big corporation. They're both the same mentality. Few on the Right ever demand doing away with limited liability scam. except a few genuine libertarians who know what it is and why the Founders severely limited the privilege.
 


So who was the pilot of the helicopter that ignored the warning?



The helicopter was going on a straight line towards the plane....why?


A clear night the plane had bright lights flashing and the tower warned the helicopter and that warning was ignored...why?
So there has NEVER been fatal errors done by caucasian male pilots (military or commercial) in your lifetime? Think carefully before you answer (if you have the guts).
 
Obviously you think I'm impressed with ideological rubbish.
Too funny. You consider economics to be ideological rubbish.

How much should we tax capitalism and thermodynamics in order to save the planet from Climate Change?

Corporations do the racketeering,
You are an economics-challenged Marxist. Ask me how I know.

And Republicans will as always wrestle defeat from victory; Trump won't be running in 2028.
Vance has the 2028 election locked; it's his to lose.

Pointless raving.
Too funny. Into the Night just gave you a real world counterexample and you just tipped your king.

giphy.webp
 
He "expressed" that the problem was possibly DEI related less than 24 hours after it happened. His first action was to find someone to blame.
Nope. Trump railed on the dropping of standards, from "very high" under his watch, to "very low" under Obama and Biden. Of course, this was done by Democrats just to flood unqualified DEI hires into an FAA that they thought was "too white."

Trump was entirely correct, as usual.

 
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