America Has a Free Speech Problem

[Into the Night]

The editorial seems to be saying that there's an inherent right to not have your shitty opinions and beliefs challenged publicly.

There is no such right.

 

[Into the Night]

I read the whole editorial and don't think that is the conclusion, though your objection has legitimacy. Here is their conclusion:

"Free speech is predicated on mutual respect — that of people for one another and of a government for the people it serves. Every day, in communities across the country, Americans must speak to one another freely to refine and improve the elements of our social contract: What do we owe the most vulnerable in our neighborhoods? What conduct should we expect from public servants? What ideas are so essential to understanding American democracy that they should be taught in schools? When public discourse in America is narrowed, it becomes harder to answer these and the many other urgent questions we face as a society."

That is, attack the argument, not the person.

The United States was never a democracy.
Go read the 1st amendment again.

 

[BidenPresident]

And what makes you think I am angry? Even though I will admit- I AM SOMEWHAT ANGRY RIGHT NOW!

I just explained my view on Cancel Culture- that I think it is just a way to express hatred towards those one hates!

We never needed the term Cancel Culture- WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND SOME WAY TO STOP ALL THE HATRED FOR OTHERS IN THIS COUNTRY!

WE ARE NOT THE united states anymore- we are closer to being the divided states- the divided nation.

I do not think we are divided as a country. I think there is a faction of the country that is fascistic and wants to overthrow our government by force. Unfortunately, the GOP is part of it.

 

[Into the Night]

No...no, no, no...you cannot separate the person from the argument they are making. Politics IS personal.

Bulverism fallacy.

Secondly, what you quoted reinforces the thesis they lay out at the start of the piece...so within the context of their broader argument, what you quoted simply reinforces a very, very tired and inaccurate reading of the national discourse.

You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

What the NYT editorial staff is arguing is that they shouldn't face any scrutiny for reporting and publishing things that aren't true.

Which is simply BS. Just like anyone else, there are consequences for what you say.

 

[Into the Night]

How can you separate the person from the argument they're making, when they argument they are making is personal!?!?

Are we not supposed to think someone's a bigot because they don't believe trans people should have rights?

Special pleading fallacy. You are trying to extend these examples across all cases.

 

[Into the Night]

"Listen not to me, but the logos (reason)."--Heraclitus

If everything is opinion then there is no such thing as truth.

Not everything is opinion.

 

[BidenPresident]

Does anyone here (regardless of what you personally think of him) think for a nanosecond, that someone like Donald Trump would be invited to speak at say UC Berkeley or Boston College? And if he were invited, would the audience applaud him like the students at Liberty University did Bernie Sanders?

I'd think there'd be days, possibly weeks, of violent rioting prior to his speech being announced. It'd likely be so bad that the event would have to be cancelled.

The problem of freedom of speech and it's being squelched isn't coming from the Right, but rather from the Left. Sure, there are those on the Right that want to ban books, or some forms of speech, but they aren't omnipresent and endemic like they are on the Left.

Trump is an incoherent, babbling moron. Why would a university invite him to speak?

 

[Into the Night]

WE ARE NOT THE united states anymore- we are closer to being the divided states- the divided nation.

You finally figured this out??? The United States was destroyed during the silent coup by Democrats. That was when they installed Biden as Chief Puppet.

 

[Into the Night]

Trump is an incoherent, babbling moron. Why would a university invite him to speak?

You are describing Biden.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I do not think we are divided as a country. I think there is a faction of the country that is fascistic and wants to overthrow our government by force. Unfortunately, the GOP is part of it.

Well, we are divided. About as divided as we can be. Americans live in two complete separate worlds, ideals, moralities, realities, histories, and set of facts!

You have the Trump Cult- And everybody else basically! I don't even view the Trump Cult as a proper legitimate political group- AS THEY WOULD BE MORE ACCURATELY DESCRIBED AS A RELIGION OR CULT!

I do not believe that everybody else is the problem here in the United States!

 

[BidenPresident]

Well, we are divided. About as divided as we can be. Americans live in two complete separate worlds, realities, histories, and set of facts!

You have the Trump Cult- And everybody else basically!

I do not believe that everybody else is the problem here in the United States!

Agree the Trump cult is a problem.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Trump is an incoherent, babbling moron. Why would a university invite him to speak?

That isn't the point, but you do illustrate my point. You too cannot not even conceive of letting a Right winger speak at a Leftist university.

 

[BidenPresident]

That isn't the point, but you do illustrate my point. You too cannot not even conceive of letting a Right winger speak at a Leftist university.

Do not lie about my post. Your inference is false and unjustified.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

You finally figured this out??? The United States was destroyed during the silent coup by Democrats. That was when they installed Biden as Chief Puppet.

Hey we figured you racists would shit your britches over a Black Man becoming our president- or a Black woman becoming our VP!

WE WERE RIGHT! YOU RACIST MOTHERFUCKER'S STILL HAVE YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD OVER THAT!

Thanks for making this obvious to all!

 

[Yakuda]

"The Times Opinion/Siena College poll found that 46 percent of respondents said they felt less free to talk about politics compared to a decade ago. Thirty percent said they felt the same. Only 21 percent of people reported feeling freer, even though in the past decade there was a vast expansion of voices in the public square through social media."

Thank you leftist totalitarian morons

 

[Yakuda]

Hey we figured you racists would shit your britches over a Black Man becoming our president- or a Black woman becoming our VP!

WE WERE RIGHT! YOU RACIST MOTHERFUCKER'S STILL HAVE YOUR PANTIES IN A WAD OVER THAT!

Thanks for making this obvious to all!

You realize right that stupid cut couldn't even win her own state in the primary and pigment and pussy is why she has the job. You're too fucking stupid to talk to.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

You realize right that stupid cut couldn't even win her own state in the primary and pigment and pussy is why she has the job. You're too fucking stupid to talk to.

No! I do not! In fact, we do not vote for Vice Presidents!

Vice presidents are selected by the presidential candidates and if people don't like them- THEY MAY WANT TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE THEY LIKE THE VICE PRESIDENT.

BUT IN THE 2020 ELECTION- BIDEN AND HARRIS WERE THE BEST TICKET ACCORDING TO THE VOCAL AND VOTING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS!

YOUR WEAKER AND LESS DESIRED CANDIDATES LOST!

NOT MINE!

HOW IS ALL THAT BUTTHURTEDNESS WORKING OUT FOR YOU NOW?

Aren't you just a sore loser now?

 

[Yakuda]

No! I do not! In fact, we do not vote for Vice Presidents!

Vice presidents are selected by the presidential candidates and if people don't like them- THEY MAY WANT TO VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE THEY LIKE THE VICE PRESIDENT.

BUT IN THE 2020 ELECTION- BIDEN AND HARRIS WERE THE BEST TICKET ACCORDING TO THE VOCAL AND VOTING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS!

YOUR WEAKER AND LESS DESIRED CANDIDATES LOST!

NOT MINE!

HOW IS ALL THAT BUTTHURTEDNESS WORKING OUT FOR YOU NOW?

Aren't you just a sore loser now?

What?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Do not lie about my post. Your inference is false and unjustified.

How do you figure that? You stated, Trump is an incoherent, babbling moron. Why would a university invite him to speak? You start off by insulting Trump and his ability to speak. Clearly, what you stated is hyperbole in that respect at best. You might not like what he has to say (and I don't have to either), but you use that as an excuse to say he shouldn't be invited to speak at all.

Why would a university ask him to speak? Because, like it or not, he is a major public figure right now. Diversity of ideas and hearing ones that are opposed to what you, yourself, might hold is the whole basis for free speech and exchange of ideas. A university is supposedly the premier location that should be happening. But as I pointed out, a Left leaning to Leftist university wouldn't invite someone from the Right, Trump being only an example. There is a long list of Rightist / Conservative speakers that have been "disinvited" (eg., banned) from speaking at universities.

https://www.thefire.org/how-to-use-the-disinvitation-database/

The Left eagerly justifies this as reasonable.

There is no 1st Amendment right to speak on a college campus

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...ndment-college-campuses-milo-spencer-protests

Why Colleges Have a Right to Reject Hateful Speakers Like Ann Coulter

https://newrepublic.com/article/142218/colleges-right-reject-hateful-speakers-like-ann-coulter

The reason Rightist speakers are rejected, when you get down to the details, isn't because they are "hateful" or "fascist" but rather because those at Leftist universities hate and oppose all dissent and differing opinions. They simply don't want to have to listen to someone who says things they don't like.

 

[BidenPresident]

How do you figure that? You stated, Trump is an incoherent, babbling moron. Why would a university invite him to speak? You start off by insulting Trump and his ability to speak. Clearly, what you stated is hyperbole in that respect at best.

Not hyperbole.