America is headed for another civil war

[Ross Dolan]

Jesus Christ, Frank. Human beings are not chickens and you need to realize the pecking order of the world.

You must be a Balut-breath motherfucker!

The notion that an zygote, embryo, or fetus is a human being...and that a human being is being killed in an abortion, is an absurdity. You people use that bullshit in order to justify that you want to control women...to dictate to them what they can and cannot do concerning their own bodies.

Yeah, some people use the "religious" excuse as justification, but that, by its very nature, is even more absurd.

So learn to deal with it. Pregnancy is a unique situation...and it DOES NOT CALL FOR MEN OR GOVERNMENTS BEING ABLE TO DICTATE TO A PREGNANT WOMAN WHAT SHE CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH HER OWN BODY.

 

[Ross Dolan]

No one is going to war over abortion.

"Abortion" will be only one element of the possible war brewing, BP. Eventually Americans will realize that they are being ruled by a small group of people who have over-sized, unfair advantages because of constitutional protocols established 250 years ago.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

children have been born.

some of them....others have been killed before it happens.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Having an abortion is no more "killing a child" than scrambling an egg is "killing a chicken."

You people have got to get over yourselves about that.

it is sad that people who have zero knowledge of biological science post stupid things like this........eggs are eggs......a fertilized egg is not sold in grocery stores......they are "candled" to make sure......I can even remember candling eggs when I was a kid on the farm.....if you don't know anything about science don't post things about science.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

"Abortion" will be only one element of the possible war brewing, BP. Eventually Americans will realize that they are being ruled by a small group of people who have over-sized, unfair advantages because of constitutional protocols established 250 years ago.

we already know......that's why you're losing the House and Senate in November......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Nope. The only children killed have been mass shooting victims - victims of non-existent gun laws. Prove you care about children - deal with that.

didn't we solve that problem Wednesday?......Joe said we did.....

 

[LurchAddams]

didn't we solve that problem Wednesday?......Joe said we did.....

He said nothing of the sort. All you have are lies and cheating to achieve your ends. This is why it won't stand, smart guy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

From an article by Zoe Strimpel
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nother-civil-war-where-one-side-has-vanquish/

hey zoe, shut your fucking pie hole. also, you idiot fucking libs on here all riled up because the constitution was adhered to and now want a civil war.......remember when I predicted that shit a year and a half ago?

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?154083-there-will-be-no-unity-only-civil-war

you morons thought it ridiculous...........remember?

stop fucking around and bring it, bitches..........i'm tired of your petty ass bullshit.

any fuckstick making a distinction between zygotes, embryos, unorganized clumps of cells and real children, you're not fucking human beings.............if you have kids, look at them closely and see if you can relate to that child as just a clump of cells that, if destroyed, means nothing.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

you idiot fucking libs on here all riled up because the constitution was adhered to and now want a civil war.......remember when I predicted that shit a year and a half ago?

Hey, I remember that! It was a couple months before Trump's 'loyalists', aka cult loons, tried to subvert the constitutional process because of the lies he'd been feeding them. Did you know that was gonna happen, too?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Hey, I remember that! It was a couple months before Trump's 'loyalists', aka cult loons, tried to subvert the constitutional process because of the lies he'd been feeding them. Did you know that was gonna happen, too?

yep, I did predict it. you idiots seem to think that I must have been the supreme organizer of it somehow...........moron.

 

[Celticguy]

Just one problem Zoe, its not a right, never was as laid out in the dissent to RvW etc.
I understand taking responsibility is just not in the liberal playbook but perhaps you should rethink that.

If you did perhaps you wouldnt find yourself mired in student debt for a degree that will not permit you to repay that debt.
Perhaps you look for a partner to share your life with as opposed to a cock and start experiencing joy instead of fun.

 

[Hawkeye10]

As America collapses and the Chinese take over as the lone global superpower, and as they make it clear that America is to be the worlds premier shithole country as retribution for our various crimes, America will come back together.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

He said nothing of the sort. All you have are lies and cheating to achieve your ends. This is why it won't stand, smart guy.

I'm sorry that penis in your ear kept you from hearing him......

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

From an article by Zoe Strimpel
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nother-civil-war-where-one-side-has-vanquish/


I, like so many millions of other women in the once-liberal West, felt profound relief that I was born in an era and a place where women have the right to choose. We took for granted that we could have children when ready and only then, without terror of life-changing consequences if a mistake was made. But any sense that living in “the West” offers a guarantee of this right died last Friday when the US Supreme Court, once the leader of the free world, overturned Roe vs Wade as unconstitutional, ending federal protection of the right to abortion.

This rare reversal of constitutional rights is first and foremost a despicable assault on women. But it is also a world-historical cataclysm, the biggest sign yet that America could be about to implode. It’s all happening quickly. The freshly emboldened Justice Clarence Thomas has already asked the Supreme Court to reconsider rulings that protect contraception. Enslaved to its constitution, and ever-madder readings of that 233 year old list of rules, it’s hard not to conclude that America is no longer fit for purpose.

Trump trod on all sorts of norms as president, finally overseeing the storming of the Capitol in an attempt to delegitimise Biden’s win. The paranoid Trumpian right still believes the voting system has been corrupted by Left-wing ideology, while Democrats are now questioning the legitimacy of the Supreme Court itself. There is no middle ground, since each side now thinks it has to beat its opponent comprehensively.

The horrible irony is that the Left used to staunchly defend women’s rights and particularly abortion rights; now they won’t even refer to “women”, preferring “pregnancy-capable people”. The Right wanted Roe overturned; the Left let them get away with it, and for this they deserve as much if not more blame for betraying women. Trump got into power in part because hard Left types let him, voting for joke candidates over Hilary Clinton because she wasn’t woke enough for them. Women have been sacrificed on the bonfire of woke.

The only silver lining is that American political alliances may now be redrawn. Abortion is a universal issue that goes far beyond right and left, so sensible people on the right may be forced to ally with the woke left. This could force the latter to rediscover common sense. If they do, they might actually be able to bring this nightmare to an end, but by then it may be too late.


Zoe Strimpel is a conservative commentator to the Telegraph who grew up in America and now lives in Britain. She blames the ‘woke’ left for pursuing chimeras instead of concentrating on the real threats to liberty and progress coming from the hard right. Is there anything in this, or is she just making excuses?

omg.

now look who's a terrorist.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Tranquillus in Exile,

From an article by Zoe Strimpel
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nother-civil-war-where-one-side-has-vanquish/


I, like so many millions of other women in the once-liberal West, felt profound relief that I was born in an era and a place where women have the right to choose. We took for granted that we could have children when ready and only then, without terror of life-changing consequences if a mistake was made. But any sense that living in “the West” offers a guarantee of this right died last Friday when the US Supreme Court, once the leader of the free world, overturned Roe vs Wade as unconstitutional, ending federal protection of the right to abortion.

This rare reversal of constitutional rights is first and foremost a despicable assault on women. But it is also a world-historical cataclysm, the biggest sign yet that America could be about to implode. It’s all happening quickly. The freshly emboldened Justice Clarence Thomas has already asked the Supreme Court to reconsider rulings that protect contraception. Enslaved to its constitution, and ever-madder readings of that 233 year old list of rules, it’s hard not to conclude that America is no longer fit for purpose.

Trump trod on all sorts of norms as president, finally overseeing the storming of the Capitol in an attempt to delegitimise Biden’s win. The paranoid Trumpian right still believes the voting system has been corrupted by Left-wing ideology, while Democrats are now questioning the legitimacy of the Supreme Court itself. There is no middle ground, since each side now thinks it has to beat its opponent comprehensively.

The horrible irony is that the Left used to staunchly defend women’s rights and particularly abortion rights; now they won’t even refer to “women”, preferring “pregnancy-capable people”. The Right wanted Roe overturned; the Left let them get away with it, and for this they deserve as much if not more blame for betraying women. Trump got into power in part because hard Left types let him, voting for joke candidates over Hilary Clinton because she wasn’t woke enough for them. Women have been sacrificed on the bonfire of woke.

The only silver lining is that American political alliances may now be redrawn. Abortion is a universal issue that goes far beyond right and left, so sensible people on the right may be forced to ally with the woke left. This could force the latter to rediscover common sense. If they do, they might actually be able to bring this nightmare to an end, but by then it may be too late.


Zoe Strimpel is a conservative commentator to the Telegraph who grew up in America and now lives in Britain. She blames the ‘woke’ left for pursuing chimeras instead of concentrating on the real threats to liberty and progress coming from the hard right. Is there anything in this, or is she just making excuses?

She's wrong. This did not happen quickly.

It has been a slow grind ever since the Powell Memo.

The Koch brothers funded numerous organizations meant to take advantage of disgruntled extremists on the right and co-opt the Republican Party to do the bidding of the greedy super-rich. The nation was basically thrown in the slow cooker just so the powerful greedy super-rich can get their way.

"On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum for the chamber entitled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist and anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America.[14][15] It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, Unsafe at Any Speed, put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement. Powell saw it as an undermining of the power of private business and a step toward socialism.[14] His experiences as a corporate lawyer and a director on the board of Phillip Morris from 1964 until his appointment to the Supreme Court made him a champion of the tobacco industry who railed against the growing scientific evidence linking smoking to cancer deaths.[14] He argued, unsuccessfully, that tobacco companies' First Amendment rights were being infringed when news organizations were not giving credence to the cancer denials of the industry.[14]

The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It inspired wealthy heirs of earlier American industrialists, the Earhart Foundation (whose money came from an oil fortune), and the Smith Richardson Foundation (from the cough medicine dynasty)[14] to use their private charitable foundations−which did not have to report their political activities−to join the Carthage Foundation, founded by Richard Mellon Scaife in 1964.[14] The Carthage Foundation pursued Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimally government-regulated America based on what he thought America had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.

The Powell Memorandum ultimately came to be a blueprint for the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), and inspired the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.[16][17] CUNY professor David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the US to this memo.[18][19]

Powell argued, "The most disquieting voices joining the chorus of criticism came from perfectly respectable elements of society: from the college campus, the pulpit, the media, the intellectual and literary journals, the arts and sciences, and from politicians." In the memorandum, Powell advocated "constant surveillance" of textbook and television content, as well as a purge of left-wing elements. He named consumer advocate Nader as the chief antagonist of American business. Powell urged conservatives to undertake a sustained media-outreach program, including funding neoliberal scholars, publishing books, papers, popular magazines, and scholarly journals, and influencing public opinion."

 

[PoliTalker]

Here is why there are so many people who believe in such BS:

"Charles and David Koch have been involved in, and have provided funding to, a number of other think tanks and public policy organizations: They provided the initial funding for the Cato Institute, they are key donors to the Federalist Society,[77] and they also support, or are members of, the Mercatus Center,[78] the Institute for Humane Studies,[78] the Institute for Justice,[79] the Institute for Energy Research,[80] the Heritage Foundation,[81] the Manhattan Institute,[81] the Reason Foundation,[78] the George C. Marshall Institute,[82] the American Enterprise Institute,[82] and the Fraser Institute,[83][84] and the Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust.[85][86] As of 2015, David Koch sat on the board of directors of the Cato Institute,[87] the Reason Foundation and the Aspen Institute.[88] A 2013 study by OpenSecrets said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[80]

Citizens for a Sound Economy
Main article: Citizens for a Sound Economy

Citizens for a Sound Economy was co-founded by David Koch in the 1980s.[77] According to the Center for Public Integrity, the Koch Brothers donated a total of $7.9 million between 1986 and 1993.[10] In 1990, the brothers created the spinoff group Citizens for the Environment.[10] In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy was renamed FreedomWorks, while its affiliated Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation became Americans for Prosperity (AFP). Since then the Koch brothers have given more than one million dollars to AFP.[10][77][89]

Americans for Prosperity
Main article: Americans for Prosperity

The Americans for Prosperity Foundation is the Koch brothers' primary political advocacy group.[90][91][92][93] David Koch was the top initial funder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation.[94][95] At AFP's 2009 annual summit meeting, David Koch said "Five years ago, my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start the Americans for Prosperity, and it's beyond my wildest dreams how AFP has grown into this enormous organization."[89][96][97] AFP is the political arm of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, for which David Koch serves as chairman of the Board of Trustees.[77][88][98][99]

Americans for Prosperity created Patients United Now, which advocated against a single-payer health care system during the 2009-2010 healthcare reform debate. Both FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity have provided support for the Tea Party movement.[100][101] AFP spent $45 million in the 2010 election.[102]

Cato Institute
Main article: Cato Institute

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch. Following the 2011 death of William Niskanen, the chairman of the Cato Institute, Charles and David Koch reportedly made an effort to procure the shares of that institute held by Niskanen's widow, "arguing that they were not hers to hold".[103] Their efforts were criticized by some at the institute, including the institute's president Ed Crane, who in an email to staff stated that the Kochs were "in the process of trying to take over the Cato Institute. The brothers issued a statement denying any wrongdoing and stated they "never asserted that Cato should be directly by, or at the whim of, any other organization, or that they should aspire to advocate the way AFP does.[104][105] In June 2012, Cato and the brothers reached an agreement. Crane stepped down and was replaced by John A. Allison IV; the Kochs withdrew two lawsuits.[106]

Freedom Partners
Main article: Freedom Partners

Freedom Partners gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations, groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed the Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. Freedom Partners financed the socially conservative group Concerned Women for America, a leading opponent of same-sex marriage in the United States [107] A majority of Freedom Partners board of directors is made up of long-time employees of the Koch brothers."

Koch Brothers Political Activity

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Port Tack,

children have been born. terminating a pregnancy is not killing a child.

"And what was the birth date of the victim, ma'am?"

"What? He hasn't had one yet? Come on. Everybody has a birth date."

 

[Into the Night]

From an article by Zoe Strimpel
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...nother-civil-war-where-one-side-has-vanquish/

I, like so many millions of other women in the once-liberal West, felt profound relief that I was born in an era and a place where women have the right to choose.

They still do. They do NOT have the right to murder.

We took for granted that we could have children when ready and only then, without terror of life-changing consequences if a mistake was made.

This is called being irresponsible.

But any sense that living in “the West” offers a guarantee of this right

There is no right to murder.

died last Friday when the US Supreme Court, once the leader of the free world,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Supreme Court???????!? A leader of the free world?????????!?

overturned Roe vs Wade as unconstitutional,

It IS unconstitutional. NOTHING in Constitution gave the federal government any authority or power to States to allow abortions (otherwise known as murder).

ending federal protection of the right to abortion.

Which is correct. The federal government has no authority here.

This rare reversal of constitutional rights

Rights do not come from a constitution or any other piece of paper.

is first and foremost a despicable assault on women.

Preventing murder is a despicable assault on women????????!?

But it is also a world-historical cataclysm,

Preventing murder is a world-historical cataclysm????????!?

the biggest sign yet that America could be about to implode.

Already happened. What rock have YOU been hiding under. The United States fell when Democrats completed their coup and installed Joe Biden as Chief Puppet.

It’s all happening quickly. The freshly emboldened Justice Clarence Thomas has already asked the Supreme Court to reconsider rulings that protect contraception.

There is no authority given by the Constitution to protect contraception.

Enslaved to its constitution, and ever-madder readings of that 233 year old list of rules, it’s hard not to conclude that America is no longer fit for purpose.

This is ignoring the Constitution, discarding it, while trying to hide behind it.

Trump trod on all sorts of norms as president,

Define 'norms'.

finally overseeing the storming of the Capitol

He didn't. Neither did he condone it.

in an attempt to delegitimise Biden’s win.

No, you can't discard the evidence of election fraud by Democrats by pointing to Trump. Biden didn't win. You can't win what never took place.

The paranoid Trumpian right still believes the voting system has been corrupted by Left-wing ideology,

No, you can't discard the evidence of election fraud by Democrats by calling it a 'belief'.

while Democrats are now questioning the legitimacy of the Supreme Court itself.

Nothing new here. They discard the Constitution of the United States and all State constitutions. That means they also discard the Supreme Court.

There is no middle ground, since each side now thinks it has to beat its opponent comprehensively.

Murdering your own offspring is NOT 'middle ground'. Discarding the Constitution is NOT 'middle ground'. Overthrowing the United States and installing Biden is NOT 'middle ground'. The disasters almost continuously caused by Biden is NOT 'middle ground'. Upholding and supporting The Oligarchy is NOT 'middle ground'.

The horrible irony is that the Left used to staunchly defend women’s rights and particularly abortion rights;

There is no right to murder.

now they won’t even refer to “women”, preferring “pregnancy-capable people”.

Democrats have no idea what a 'women' is. They want nothing less than to erase women.

The Right wanted Roe overturned;

It should be. It is unconstitutional. If anything, it is up to the States to define where these boundaries lie.

the Left let them get away with it,

So you support The Oligarchy. Gotit.

and for this they deserve as much if not more blame for betraying women.

Democrats want to erase women. They do not want to even acknowledge women. They have no idea what 'women' even means!

Trump got into power in part because hard Left types let him, voting for joke candidates over Hilary Clinton because she wasn’t woke enough for them. Women have been sacrificed on the bonfire of woke.

The Wicked Witch of the East is well known. People rejected her. The Wicked Witch of the West is also well known. Her days in power are numbered.

The only silver lining is that American political alliances may now be redrawn. Abortion is a universal issue that goes far beyond right and left,

Nope. Only the Democrats want to legalize murdering your own offspring.

so sensible people on the right may be forced to ally with the woke left.

WTF for?????!?

This could force the latter to rediscover common sense.

WOKE is common sense???????!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If they do, they might actually be able to bring this nightmare to an end, but by then it may be too late.

WOKE thinking IS the nightmare. Murdering your own offspring for convenience IS the nightmare. The Oligarchy IS the nightmare.

Zoe Strimpel is a conservative commentator

BULLSHIT!!!!! This is NOT conservatism! This is supporting The Oligarchy and discarding the Constitution and advocating murdering your own offspring for convenience!

to the Telegraph who grew up in America and now lives in Britain.

Good. She can't vote.

She blames the ‘woke’ left for pursuing chimeras instead of concentrating on the real threats to liberty and progress coming from the hard right.

Supporting the Constitution is not a threat to liberty or progress. Democrats discard the Constitution.

Is there anything in this, or is she just making excuses?

Worse. She is hallucinating.

 

[Into the Night]

Yup, we may be headed toward another Civil War.

There has never been a civil war in the States. This will be the first, probably centered around religion, the worst kind of war.

Thanks to McConnell and Trump...we now have what amounts to crazy people running the Supreme Court. We are in serious trouble.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution, Frank. Roe v Wade was unconstitutional. The authority belongs with the States.

 

[Into the Night]

No children have been killed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you STILL making that ridiculous statement????????!?