America is held hostage by flyover states

Mott the Hoople said:
The argument here is based on a false premise. Texas and Florida are hardly fly over States and the North East, Great Lakes and Pacific Coast States have enough electoral votes to win a Presidential election.

The Senate was designed to be undemocratic by our founding fathers and the Southern States have used voting in a solid block to dominate both houses with a minority of the population of less than 25%. That can be fixed in the House by eliminating seniority. The Senate would require a constitutional amendment to be based on population which is unlikely to happen.
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OMG. something Mott and I agree on.

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Nordberg said:
So Legion is arguing for a guaranteed income. good. No reason a rich country should abandon the poor and needy.
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LOL How terrible Democrats are at governing cities. 9 out of the top 10 US Cities in the US by population and GDP are run by Democrats and 37 of the top 50 are run by Democrats. Not to mention 9 of the poorest 10 States in the nation are run by Republicans.
 
Yeah. Right. Tell that to the folks in Detroit, Flint, and every other urban shithole that has been run by Democrats.
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL How terrible Democrats are at governing cities. 9 out of the top 10 US Cities in the US by population and GDP are run by Democrats and 37 of the top 50 are run by Democrats. Not to mention 9 of the poorest 10 States in the nation are run by Republicans.
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Legion said:
Run with that, Nerdberg.
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OK. Washington, Hamilton, Jay and many other founders favored a proportional representation in the senate. They ended up caving because the small states insisted on 2 each. The ratification was predicated on 2 senators per state. Most of the writer objected, but caved to get the union formed. It was not higher principles nor is it better. It was a bad compromise that still hurts us. When I first went to college, Poli Sci was a requirement. I don't think it is any more.
 
Nerdberg said:
OK. Washington, Hamilton, Jay and many other founders favored a proportional representation in the senate. They ended up caving because the small states insisted on 2 each. The ratification was predicated on 2 senators per state. Most of the writer objected, but caved to get the union formed. It was not higher principles nor is it better. It was a bad compromise that still hurts us. When I first went to college, Poli Sci was a requirement. I don't think it is any more.
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Need a tissue, old timer?
 
Nordberg said:
OK. Washington, Hamilton, Jay and many other founders favored a proportional representation in the senate. They ended up caving because the small states insisted on 2 each. The ratification was predicated on 2 senators per state. Most of the writer objected, but caved to get the union formed. It was not higher principles nor is it better. It was a bad compromise that still hurts us. When I first went to college, Poli Sci was a requirement. I don't think it is any more.
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How is it bad when we already have the HoR to represent the PEOPLE'S INTERESTS!. We need the Senate to stay AS IS to represent the STATES' INTERESTS. Plus we need to go back to Senators appointed by State Legislature, not the ballot box.
 
Nordberg said:
They have a vote. Senators should be predicated on population . Wyoming has 2 senators. population 600,000 California 2 sens . population 40 million. That is not fair.
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read the parts of the constitution that establish the house and the senate, and how they are elected/chosen. then come back to us.............
 
guno said:
MAGA

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I hear Woody in the background
 
Nordberg said:
Of course but there were 13 states and no population extremes back then. The extremes make the Senate less proportional and increasingly less fair. Times change. The logic should keep up.,
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doesn't change the fact we don't need TWO representational houses of Congress......eliminate the do-nothing senate......
 
Mott the Hoople said:
LOL How terrible Democrats are at governing cities. 9 out of the top 10 US Cities in the US by population and GDP are run by Democrats and 37 of the top 50 are run by Democrats. Not to mention 9 of the poorest 10 States in the nation are run by Republicans.
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I'm thinking 'right to work' has something to do with that
 
Boris The Animal said:
Probably from Democrat run Detroit.

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Nordberg said:
OK. Washington, Hamilton, Jay and many other founders favored a proportional representation in the senate. They ended up caving because the small states insisted on 2 each. The ratification was predicated on 2 senators per state. Most of the writer objected, but caved to get the union formed. It was not higher principles nor is it better. It was a bad compromise that still hurts us. When I first went to college, Poli Sci was a requirement. I don't think it is any more.
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there wouldn't be a United States without it.......
 
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