America Must Be A Diverse Home For All

Hello Flash,

I am not trying to exaggerate. There are many examples of conservative professors successfully operating in the social science departments of universities. But, the number is relatively small. Although the job application does not ask the politics of the applicant, conservatives are usually known by their reputation and their writings (especially if they write non-academic articles). But, there have been controversies when departments vote to hire an applicant based on the person's political writings and activities. Nobody is told they were not hired because of their political views.

Many professors make no attempt to keep their politics out of the classroom and some are popular because of their politics.

There is no doubt liberals are more attracted to some fields so that explains a larger percentage of liberals, but that is very different than prejudice against hiring conservatives. It is a well recognized issue although there is debate about the degree. I can tell you that my department head would not want to hire a conservative although she tolerated the ones we had.

There is no support for your claim that people become more liberal as they become more aware and informed. The key factor is that people who are more interested become more ware and informed--both liberal and conservative.

From "Passing on the Right" which is an academic study of conservative professors.

"Few seem to think conservatives should become professors. While the left fears an invasion of their citadel by conservatives marching to orders from the Koch brothers, the right steers young conservatives away from a professorial vocation by lampooning its leftism. Shields and Dunn quiet these fears by shedding light on the hidden world of conservative professors through 153 interviews.

Most conservative professors told them that the university is a far more tolerant place than its right-wing critics imagine. Many, in fact, first turned right in the university itself, while others say they feel more at home in academia than in the Republican Party. Even so, being a conservative in the progressive university can be challenging. Many professors admit to closeting themselves prior to tenure by passing as liberals. Some openly conservative professors even say they were badly mistreated on account of their politics, especially those who ventured into politicized disciplines or expressed culturally conservative views.

Despite real challenges, the many successful professors interviewed by Shields and Dunn show that conservatives can survive and sometimes thrive in one of America's most progressive professions. And this means that liberals and conservatives need to rethink the place of conservatives in academia. Liberals should take the high road by becoming more principled advocates of diversity, especially since conservative professors are rarely close-minded or combatants in a right-wing war against the university. Movement conservatives, meanwhile, should de-escalate its polemical war against the university, especially since it inadvertently helps cement progressives' troubled rule over academia."

Aren't most college professors only hired with the approval of a board?

It isn't up to one just individual in most cases, I don't believe.

This would tend to reduce any decisions being affected by politics.

Police, on the other hand, are hired often by one person. And police departments are notoriously conservative.
 
Hello Flash,



Aren't most college professors only hired with the approval of a board?

It isn't up to one just individual in most cases, I don't believe.

This would tend to reduce any decisions being affected by politics.

Police, on the other hand, are hired often by one person. And police departments are notoriously conservative.

Imagine a corrupt board. can you do it?
 
Hello Flash,

Aren't most college professors only hired with the approval of a board?

It isn't up to one just individual in most cases, I don't believe.

This would tend to reduce any decisions being affected by politics.

Police, on the other hand, are hired often by one person. And police departments are notoriously conservative.

The board usually approves the recommendation made by the president who follows the recommendation of the dean who usually follows the recommendation of the selection committee. It varies by school and smaller schools often hire by a single person, especially part-time positions. If there is an objection to an applicant based on his political views that would stay at the faculty level and seldom be an issue at higher levels.

Usually a person's political views are not known or discussed. The assumption is made (correctly) that a history professor is liberal. They may identify themselves as "moderate," but they vote Democratic.
 
Hello Flash,

The board usually approves the recommendation made by the president who follows the recommendation of the dean who usually follows the recommendation of the selection committee. It varies by school and smaller schools often hire by a single person, especially part-time positions. If there is an objection to an applicant based on his political views that would stay at the faculty level and seldom be an issue at higher levels.

Usually a person's political views are not known or discussed. The assumption is made (correctly) that a history professor is liberal. They may identify themselves as "moderate," but they vote Democratic.

But plenty of conservatives do teach college despite all of this.

Just as there are liberals on police forces, whom, would have to keep their views to themselves or pretend to be conservative as they vote liberal anyway.

It reminds me of the situation in rural America. There is this big assumption that everyone there is conservative. If you drove around in the country during election season the yard signs seen would support that idea. Of if you listened to any of the talk on the street. But it would still be wrong. When the election results are counted, sure conservatives win almost all the time, but there is always a percentage that votes liberal. They have to stay quiet about their true views; they wouldn't want the dust-back from putting liberal yard signs out or speaking their mind. But in the privacy of the voting booth, they vote liberal.
 
Hello Flash,

But plenty of conservatives do teach college despite all of this.

Just as there are liberals on police forces, whom, would have to keep their views to themselves or pretend to be conservative as they vote liberal anyway.

It reminds me of the situation in rural America. There is this big assumption that everyone there is conservative. If you drove around in the country during election season the yard signs seen would support that idea. Of if you listened to any of the talk on the street. But it would still be wrong. When the election results are counted, sure conservatives win almost all the time, but there is always a percentage that votes liberal. They have to stay quiet about their true views; they wouldn't want the dust-back from putting liberal yard signs out or speaking their mind. But in the privacy of the voting booth, they vote liberal.

Sure, nobody claimed all college professors are liberal. It varies by discipline. But the percentage of people who teach history, political science, English, sociology, ethnic/gender studies and voted for Trump is very small. And, just as you tend to look down on Trump voters, so do those faculty members.

A study of the Harvard faculty and campaign contributions found: "Nationwide, Trump raised $1.57 billion, maintaining a slight edge over Biden at $1.51 billion. At Harvard, Biden dwarfed Trump 76.7 to one."

https://www.hodp.org/project/harvard-faculty-political-donations-2020-election/
 
Hello Flash,

Sure, nobody claimed all college professors are liberal. It varies by discipline. But the percentage of people who teach history, political science, English, sociology, ethnic/gender studies and voted for Trump is very small. And, just as you tend to look down on Trump voters, so do those faculty members.

A study of the Harvard faculty and campaign contributions found: "Nationwide, Trump raised $1.57 billion, maintaining a slight edge over Biden at $1.51 billion. At Harvard, Biden dwarfed Trump 76.7 to one."

https://www.hodp.org/project/harvard-faculty-political-donations-2020-election/

I would not look down on someone simply because they voted for Trump. I would not look down on anyone. You don't see me in here calling people names. It's not right to look down on people no matter what the circumstances. It's not right to do that. It is a weakness of character to do that. Show respect for all. The only thing I might do would be to simply keep distance from someone who cannot share mutual respect.

I have to wonder why a) Christianity is so popular, and b) being judgemental of others is equally as popular, when their 'good' book tells them not to be judgemental. Such hypocrisy. Is it any wonder I choose to pass religion by. Looks like so much BS to me. People fooling themselves. I seek the truth. That's why I'm liberal. Looking at the lies of the Republican party reaffirms my choice.

There is a saying the religious claim as their own. Recognize the things which can be changed and those which cannot. Have the wisdom to know the difference, the serenity to accept it. There was no need to pretend a mythical creator/overseer being said that. It's simply logical to do that. It applies in this case. The intellectual pursuits attract more liberals. That's why more college teachers are liberal. Policing, the military, using force, exerting authority, attracts conservatives. That's why police forces and the military are more conservative.

It makes more sense to me to leave that dynamic alone. I don't think it is wise to try to change it or force it to be something it is not.
 
Hello Flash,


I would not look down on someone simply because they voted for Trump. I would not look down on anyone. You don't see me in here calling people names. It's not right to look down on people no matter what the circumstances. It's not right to do that. It is a weakness of character to do that. Show respect for all. The only thing I might do would be to simply keep distance from someone who cannot share mutual respect.

I have to wonder why a) Christianity is so popular, and b) being judgemental of others is equally as popular, when their 'good' book tells them not to be judgemental. Such hypocrisy. Is it any wonder I choose to pass religion by. Looks like so much BS to me. People fooling themselves. I seek the truth. That's why I'm liberal. Looking at the lies of the Republican party reaffirms my choice.

There is a saying the religious claim as their own. Recognize the things which can be changed and those which cannot. Have the wisdom to know the difference, the serenity to accept it. There was no need to pretend a mythical creator/overseer being said that. It's simply logical to do that. It applies in this case. The intellectual pursuits attract more liberals. That's why more college teachers are liberal. Policing, the military, using force, exerting authority, attracts conservatives. That's why police forces and the military are more conservative.

It makes more sense to me to leave that dynamic alone. I don't think it is wise to try to change it or force it to be something it is not.

Good, proud of you. People who engage in foul language and personal insults usually feel they are unable to make their point effectively without strong language.

I am not religious, but those who ignore Christian teachings are the hypocrites. That does not make Christianity hypocritical because some of its adherents ignore the principles.
 
Hello Flash,

Good, proud of you. People who engage in foul language and personal insults usually feel they are unable to make their point effectively without strong language.

I am not religious, but those who ignore Christian teachings are the hypocrites. That does not make Christianity hypocritical because some of its adherents ignore the principles.

Thank you.

That would make most Christians hypocrites, because they pick and choose which part of the religion they will adhere to, and which parts they ignore. There is no part of Christianity which maintains that should be done.
 
The belief that unity is possible is in and of itself a serious psychosis.

I don't give a fuck about ethnic diversity one way or another.
Ideological diversity, however, is why the republic is collapsing.
Some of us just can't fucking be together without violence being inevitable.

Buy a mirror so you can see what is wrong in America today. :palm:
 
Not an exaggeration. It is well established that college faculty, especially social sciences, are liberal and usually Democratic. For example, polls of how the faculty voted in the political science department like Harvard, Yale, Princeton would find maybe 5 Republican voters in a department of 50. Many identify themselves as moderate, but vote Democratic.

I'd doubt you could find 1%.

I do not agree with the claim that they indoctrinate students (although some do).

If you watched interviews on college campuses with questions about the nation and our political system you would agree they've been indoctrinated and not educated.

The educational establishment has been a shining example of failure. Run by leftists who are too stupid to learn from history and who have never worked in the private sector in their lives.
 
I'd doubt you could find 1%.


2% of Harvard faculty voted for Trump in 2016. 73% voted for Clinton.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/5/2/faculty-survey-part-2/


If you watched interviews on college campuses with questions about the nation and our political system you would agree they've been indoctrinated and not educated.


You are making the unfounded assumption that the views expressed in those interviews come from college faculty. Most of our views come from our parents and peers. You would have to have surveys of their views before and after college attendance.

The educational establishment has been a shining example of failure. Run by leftists who are too stupid to learn from history and who have never worked in the private sector in their lives.

Most American whites without a college degree voted for Trump. Most white college graduates vote more Republican except in 2020.

If they are indoctrinated it must be to vote Republican. Or, maybe schools don't determine how people vote.
 
Pales in comparison to Obama and Biden. Run along. You're not serious about anything. :palm:

In other words, you did not bother to check the data (total accumulated debt):

Obama: $8.3 trillion (8 years)
Trump: $8.2 trillion (4 years)
Biden: $1.8 trillion (1/21-5/22)
 
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2% of Harvard faculty voted for Trump in 2016. 73% voted for Clinton.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/5/2/faculty-survey-part-2/




You are making the unfounded assumption that the views expressed in those interviews come from college faculty. Most of our views come from our parents and peers. You would have to have surveys of their views before and after college attendance.



Most American whites without a college degree voted for Trump. Most white college graduates vote more Republican except in 2020.

If they are indoctrinated it must be to vote Republican. Or, maybe schools don't determine how people vote.


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1: devoid of meaning : SENSELESS
a pointless remark
2: devoid of effectiveness : FLAT
pointless attempts to be funny
 
In other words, you did not bother to check the data (total accumulated debt):

Obama: $8.3 trillion (8 years)
Trump: $8.2 trillion (4 years)
Biden: $1.8 trillion (1/21-5/22)

The debt under Trump’s presidency increased more than $7.5 trillion. But we also need to pretend there wasn't a massive overblown pandemic which caused most of the deficit spending, that Democrats weren't in charge of the Congress and haven't passed a real budget and that Biden's $5 trillion in vote pandering didn't add to the National Debt.

The U.S. national debt grew by $2.11 trillion during President Biden’s first year in office.

Biden signed a $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief law,

He added the $1.2 trillion "infrastructure" bill,

That's $3.1 trillion without any offsets or tax increases. The notion that he only added $1.8 trillion is laughably asinine.
:palm:
 
pointless
adjective
point·less | \ ˈpȯint-ləs \
1: devoid of meaning : SENSELESS
a pointless remark
2: devoid of effectiveness : FLAT
pointless attempts to be funny

It proves the point that most college faculty vote Democratic which is what the conversation was about.
 
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