An honest question on assault rifles.

rjhenn said:
The AR15 is not an assault rifle. The M16 (military and police issue only) is an assault rifle. The AR15 is just a semi-automatic rifle that looks like an assault rifle.
Click to expand...

But it looks evil so it must be evil. Many people let emotions override logic.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Someone please explain to me what is so special about the #AR15 (style) assault rifle(s) that can't be done with the myriad of shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic handguns that have been available for decades?
Click to expand...

Hand guns don't offer the range. Shotguns and long rifles don't offer the speed and accuracy.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Someone please explain to me what is so special about the #AR15 (style) assault rifle(s) that can't be done with the myriad of shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic handguns that have been available for decades?
Click to expand...

OK. You wanted to know. I will hold back my cynical nature and try to educate you. Let's see if you are being honest in your question


* The AR-15 fires an intermediate power .22 caliber cartridge which means low recoil and easy to shoot
* Its inline design and sight placement place everything in line with the shooter’s shoulder, improving accuracy and comfort.
* It has a collapsible stock meaning it can be adjusted based on the size of the shooter, leading to more comfort while shooting
* It is made using modern day materials and not steel or wood. This makes it light weight and more comfortable to shoot
* It only uses screws, threaded parts and pins for its entire assembly. You don't need a vise or special machinery to put it together. Want to replace the barrel? Simple. Just pop it off and slide a new one into the preset position and tighten a nut with a wrench.
* The modular design allows the firearm to be disassembled for maintenance and cleaning without the use of tools
* The modular design has led it to be called the "Lego Kit of the Gun World". You can create endless variations. The AR is really more of a platform than an individual weapon and among people who know what they are talking about, you will will hear it referred to as such. It basically allows you to be your own amateur gunsmith at your kitchen table and that is pretty cool
* The great thing about the modular design is that you can very inexpensively and easily swap out parts without buying a new weapon. Want a different stock? Five minutes. Want to make it more accurate? Easy. Change the optics.
* There is no patent on the AR today even thought AR15 is trademarked. That has led to a tremendous amount of standardization in terms of design. Which means everything is almost truly interchangeable without the need for special customization or special training. The accessories market for the AR15 is unparalleled in the gun market. It is like all of the accessories for an iPhone. They can be customized to fit each shooter. In a lot of respects, no two AR15s are the same other than factory produced ones.


There you have it. You wanted to know why the AR15 is so popular and why so many people are drawn to it. I have to say, my wife loves to shoot with it because of the low recoil and accuracy. She finds the shotgun to be sort of brutish.

Let's see what you make of this.
 
Celticguy said:
Hand guns don't offer the range. Shotguns and long rifles don't offer the speed and accuracy.
Click to expand...

A semi-automatic rifle be it a ranch style or an AR-15 style of the same caliber and clip capacity have the exact same speed and accuracy. The only difference is the appearance.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Someone please explain to me what is so special about the #AR15 (style) assault rifle(s) that can't be done with the myriad of shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic handguns that have been available for decades?
Click to expand...

What's the difference between a VW "BUG" and a BEAMER? Both are "legal" to own and drive....one just arrives a little earlier with your ass wrapped in leather and foam. The 2nd amendment has never been about what type of "arms" one has the right to own, the 2nd is about having the right to defend oneself from all enemies at a personal level, either foreign or domestic.

Then ask yourself the same question you just asked....what sort of arms would you prefer for self defense, something that is designed for close quarter combat with the capacity to easily reload....or a single shot weapon designed for accuracy? Why should the "state" have "unlimited" rights to arm itself....but demand the right to limit its citizens based upon an emotional outcry by a minority assembly of citizens?

The greater question is...Why the hell does it matter to anyone if a law abiding citizen that has never and has no intent of ever breaking the common laws of the land....own any type of arms they wish? Why do you want to punish the innocent and reward the wicked? Why does the left stand on the graves of the murdered to preach a political agenda?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Someone please explain to me what is so special about the #AR15 (style) assault rifle(s) that can't be done with the myriad of shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic handguns that have been available for decades?
Click to expand...

If you want an honest discussion, then perhaps you shouldn't start out with a lie.

The AR15 is not an assault rifle.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Are you really this fucking stupid? Comparing the Civil Rights movement to this urge to own a weapon? Guess what stupid? if there were no seats in the back of the bus (standing room only) but seats in the front during the Jim Crow/segregation days, Rosa couldn't ride and would have to wait for the next bus? Why, her money was just as good as a white persons. Get the picture, stupid?

You have a right to a weapon, but NOT military grade ones....not full automatics, and for a brief time not semi-auto assault weapons. America got along fine with the AWB....crime didn't go through the roof. Deal with it.

Don't you EVER think to get away with that stupidity again.
Click to expand...

Again, you LIE.

An AR15 is not military grade. It is NOT fully automatic. But please, do go on explaining how it is others that are stupid.
 
sear said:
BD #16

Understood.

BUT !!

a) That's an anecdote.

b) It's possible to kill 3 suspects with a rusty screwdriver. I'd be most careful about deifying the AR-15 because in one application it appears to have worked out favorably. That one incident does not render it optimal for all, or even most scenarios.

The M1911-A1 is the best designed handgun I've ever seen / held / fired / qualified with.

BUT !!

Colt made something called the Officer's model, a work-alike of the government issue sidearm, except slightly shorter, and 1 rnd fewer magazine capacity. No worries. The full capacity magazine fits in the more compact version, it just sticks out a little.
They were available in stainless steel. A fabulous gun, if that's not an intrinsic oxymoron.
Click to expand...

What is actually an anecdote is that AR's are used for school shootings.

The vast majority of AR's are not used in killing people. The vast majority are used for hunting, target shooting, self defense. The first two more often than the third.
 
"What is actually an anecdote is that AR's are used for school shootings.

The vast majority of AR's are not used in killing people." Sf #30
Click to expand...
That is an acrobatic falsification. It barely rises to the level of "half-truth".

How many school shootings have there been?
And of those shootings / massacres, how many of them were perpetrated with the AR-15?

How many other types of firearm are there?

I'll simplify and fictionalize the math, to illustrate the point.
If there are 9 other types of gun, and one of every 10 school massacres involves an AR
then I'd say the AR is not DISPROPORTIONATELY represented in school massacres.

BUT !!

If there are 9 other kinds of gun, but an AR is used in two, or even three of every ten school massacres,
then I'd say the AR IS disproportionately represented.

Your illogic is an embarrassment to logic.

Just because most humans aren't murders doesn't render innocent those few of us that are guilty of murder. Capisce ?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Someone please explain to me what is so special about the #AR15 (style) assault rifle(s) that can't be done with the myriad of shotguns, hunting rifles, revolvers and semi-automatic handguns that have been available for decades?
Click to expand...

since i'm not a hunter, your question doesn't really apply. Since you don't believe that the 2nd Amendment is about individual rights as citizen militias, you will not like my answer, but since I trained with the M16s as a US Marine, the 15 is basically the same rifle, so i'm very comfortable with it and it's usage......which is to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
 
BodyDouble said:
A civil right is a Constitutional right. A right to keep a firearm is also a Constitutional right. It's not an "urge" to own a weapon. It is a right. An AR-15 is not a military weapon. The military doesn't use them and never will. During the "assault" weapons ban, I bought several real "assault" weapons. Semi-auto, used in the military at one time assault weapons. And I plunked down cash and walked out the door that same day with the semi-auto "assault" weapon. Several has a bayonets installed on them as well. And some just had bayonet lugs. And they were bought at a chain sporting goods store in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. That's how stupid your liberal ban worked out. And you can't be so, so stupid to believe that these scary-looking guns that you idiots claim are "military grade assault weapons" will not be allowed to be bought and sold again.
Click to expand...

As to your first sentence....no shit sherlock! That doesn't change the fact that your earlier comparison of gun ownership to human beings rights sans racism & bigotry is the most absurd thing I've read to come out of the fringe right wing mindset to date.
As to the rest of your NRA playbook parroting:

In 1956, ArmaLite designed a lightweight assault rifle for military use and designated it the ArmaLite Rifle-15, or AR-15.[7][8][9] Due to financial problems, and limitations in terms of manpower and production capacity, ArmaLite sold the design and the AR-15 trademark to Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1959.[10] In 1964, Colt began selling its own version with an improved semi-automatic design known as the Colt AR-15.[11] After Colt's patents expired in 1977, an active marketplace emerged for other manufacturers to produce and sell their own AR-15 style rifles.[1]

In 2009, the term "modern sporting rifle" was coined by the National Shooting Sports Foundation for its survey that year as a marketing term used by the firearms industry to describe modular semi-automatic rifles including AR-15s.[12][13][14][15] Today, nearly every major firearm manufacturer produces its own generic AR-15 style rifle.[16][14] As Colt continues to own and use the AR-15 trademark for its line of AR-15 variants, other manufacturers must use their own model numbers and names to market their AR-15 style rifles for commercial sale.[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle


The firearms industry itself introduced the term "assault weapon" to build interest in new product lines.[8] Phillip Peterson, the author of Gun Digest Buyer’s Guide to Assault Weapons (2008) wrote:

The popularly held idea that the term 'assault weapon' originated with anti-gun activists is wrong. The term was first adopted by manufacturers, wholesalers, importers and dealers in the American firearms industry to stimulate sales of certain firearms that did not have an appearance that was familiar to many firearms owners. The manufacturers and gun writers of the day needed a catchy name to identify this new type of gun.[23]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon


https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/assault-weapons-faq/
 
BodyDouble said:
z_NEUbhw_1.gif


Among other things, self defense. Just like most of the several other weapons I own. And I just may need a few more.
Click to expand...

Again, since all the other weapons I referred to have historically provided adequate self defense for the home owner, what makes the AR-15 (style) weapon so unique and sort after? And since you were schooled on your bigotry, spare us the cartoons....the reader already knows the quality of your posts.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
since i'm not a hunter, your question doesn't really apply. Since you don't believe that the 2nd Amendment is about individual rights as citizen militias, you will not like my answer, but since I trained with the M16s as a US Marine, the 15 is basically the same rifle, so i'm very comfortable with it and it's usage......which is to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Click to expand...

There you have it, folks. A full on admission of what I have been saying for weeks.
These assault rifles are for dudes who want to Play Rambo, need a penis extender, want to play solider, or just generally want to have the toys to make them seem like a bad ass.

I had to put up with howls of protest from the reich wing, but I have to commend you for the honest admission of the real and actual reason a lot of dudes want an assault rifle.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top