An honest question on assault rifles.

Taichiliberal said:
Are you really this fucking stupid? Comparing the Civil Rights movement to this urge to own a weapon? Guess what stupid? if there were no seats in the back of the bus (standing room only) but seats in the front during the Jim Crow/segregation days, Rosa couldn't ride and would have to wait for the next bus? Why, her money was just as good as a white persons. Get the picture, stupid?

You have a right to a weapon, but NOT military grade ones....not full automatics, and for a brief time not semi-auto assault weapons. America got along fine with the AWB....crime didn't go through the roof. Deal with it.

Don't you EVER think to get away with that stupidity again.
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^Proof this dishonest leftist asshat wasn't interested in anything related to an honest debate...which is why I seldom take lying leftists serious.

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Taichiliberal said:
Stop with the BS, will ya please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_style_rifle

So you acknowledge the fact that you just want the next best thing to a full "battlefield weapon". WTF for? You target shoot to practice hitting a target as a pretext to KILL. Hunting rifles do a good job, shotguns do, semi-auto handguns and rifles do. You want battlefield authenticity? Join the army. Let's at least try to keep these things off the open market, as they seem to get into the hands of nutjobs as of late.
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sear said:
rj #4 is half right, wrong as much by omission as commission.

I've never owned an AR, but I've handled them. I qualified Marksman with the M16-A1 and am likely still proficient with it.

To address your question directly Tl #1, there are numerous differences, even if seemingly subtle to the layman.

a) The AR & the M16-A1 are carbines. This makes them substantially better suited to close-quarter combat. A long gun, a true rifle may be more accurate due to longer, and potentially more rigid barrel. Such long guns are suited to poised, sniper-style shots: one shot / one kill. But the AR & M16-A1 is better suited for shorter range (up to ~250 meters) rapid fire.

b) A 12 ga. magnum slug is heavy. The .223 Rem. is far lighter, and thus pound for pound the ammunition the AR & M16-A1 fires may provide a 4:1 advantage.

c) Rate of fire.
The M16-A1 is capable of auto-fire: one sustained trigger pull empties the magazine, 20 rnd in ~2.2 seconds.
The AR fires semi-auto. One trigger pull, one shot fired, until the magazine is exhausted.

How many school children were massacred at Sandy Hook? A dozen?
A psychopath could kill a dozen children with a muzzle loader. Maximum rate of fire ~1 rnd each 45 seconds. That's 9 minutes. 9 minutes is enough time for a COP to finish his doughnut, take one last sip of coffee, stroll over to the patrol vehicle, drive to the school, walk inside, and bop the shooter on the bean with a 2 x 4.

IN VIVID CONTRAST

With an AR (or M16-A1) a dozen humans can be shot dead in less than 10 seconds.

Get the picture?

I'm a licensed hunter.
For varmints I use a .22
I have no use for an AR.

In what scenario?
For home defense?
3 thugs cornering you in a dark alley?
Keep you AR for such scenarios. I'll take a Colt .45 (M1911-A1) for that.
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So with the supposition of what could have done a better job at Sandy Hook aside ( I deal with the historical fact, not what might have been) essentially, the AR-15 (style) weapons are indeed assault weapons by your descriptions...they are NOT hunting rifles, and as you point out a hand gun does the job of self defense (usually for the home) quite adequately. Your response is apropos to this:

https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/assault-weapons-faq/

Thanks for the honest response.
 
BodyDouble said:
Homeowner’s son kills three would-be burglars with AR-15
By Fox News March 28, 2017 | 12:39am
Three would-be robbers were shot and killed Monday when an Oklahoma homeowner’s son opened fire on them with an AR-15, authorities said.

Wagoner County sheriff’s deputies were called to the home in Broken Arrow, southeast of Tulsa, around 12:30 p.m. local time. When they arrived, they found the three dead suspects and two uninjured residents.

Sheriff’s spokesman Deputy Nick Mahoney said the suspects entered the home through a glass back door with the intent to burglarize it. It was not immediately clear why they picked that home.

Mahoney said the suspects encountered the homeowner’s 19-year-old son, who opened fire after an exchange of words. Two of the suspects died in the home’s kitchen while a third was found in the driveway.

It was not immediately clear whether the suspects were armed, but Mahoney said the preliminary investigation indicated the shootings were in self-defense.
https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/homeowners-son-kills-three-would-be-burglars-with-ar-15/

I like my GI spec. 1911 as well. Maybe this homeowners kid had one too. But the AR-15 came in handy in this kids little event.
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No shit sherlock....thanks for providing proof that a hunting rifle, or a shotgun or a handgun could have done the exact same thing! Or are you saying different? History would school you better, my little bigot.
 
Cryingpussy said:
There you have it, folks. A full on admission of what I have been saying for weeks.
These assault rifles are for dudes who want to Play Rambo, need a penis extender, want to play solider, or just generally want to have the toys to make them seem like a bad ass.

I had to put up with howls of protest from the reich wing, but I have to commend you for the honest admission of the real and actual reason a lot of dudes want an assault rifle.
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I Love America said:
OK. You wanted to know. I will hold back my cynical nature and try to educate you. Let's see if you are being honest in your question


* The AR-15 fires an intermediate power .22 caliber cartridge which means low recoil and easy to shoot
* Its inline design and sight placement place everything in line with the shooter’s shoulder, improving accuracy and comfort.
* It has a collapsible stock meaning it can be adjusted based on the size of the shooter, leading to more comfort while shooting
* It is made using modern day materials and not steel or wood. This makes it light weight and more comfortable to shoot
* It only uses screws, threaded parts and pins for its entire assembly. You don't need a vise or special machinery to put it together. Want to replace the barrel? Simple. Just pop it off and slide a new one into the preset position and tighten a nut with a wrench.
* The modular design allows the firearm to be disassembled for maintenance and cleaning without the use of tools
* The modular design has led it to be called the "Lego Kit of the Gun World". You can create endless variations. The AR is really more of a platform than an individual weapon and among people who know what they are talking about, you will will hear it referred to as such. It basically allows you to be your own amateur gunsmith at your kitchen table and that is pretty cool
* The great thing about the modular design is that you can very inexpensively and easily swap out parts without buying a new weapon. Want a different stock? Five minutes. Want to make it more accurate? Easy. Change the optics.
* There is no patent on the AR today even thought AR15 is trademarked. That has led to a tremendous amount of standardization in terms of design. Which means everything is almost truly interchangeable without the need for special customization or special training. The accessories market for the AR15 is unparalleled in the gun market. It is like all of the accessories for an iPhone. They can be customized to fit each shooter. In a lot of respects, no two AR15s are the same other than factory produced ones.


There you have it. You wanted to know why the AR15 is so popular and why so many people are drawn to it. I have to say, my wife loves to shoot with it because of the low recoil and accuracy. She finds the shotgun to be sort of brutish.

Let's see what you make of this.
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I make that all you've done is show that you prefer a more effective assault weapon, but you failed to prove that the other weapons I alluded to wouldn't kill someone just as dead for self defense of the home. But if you need further edification:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...stion-on-assault-rifles&p=2311863#post2311863
 
Taichiliberal said:
No shit sherlock....thanks for providing proof that a hunting rifle, or a shotgun or a handgun could have done the exact same thing! Or are you saying different? History would school you better, my little bigot.
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Dear dumbass, since when does one have to prove utilitarian purposes to legally own anything? The first answer to your willfully stupid question was all you need.

Yep; in liberal dumbfuck land where you wallow, it isn't the whackos liberal policies have let loose on our streets murdering, it's the scary guns that are doing it!!! You really are too stupid for words.

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Cypress said:
There you have it, folks. A full on admission of what I have been saying for weeks.
These assault rifles are for dudes who want to Play Rambo, need a penis extender, want to play solider, or just generally want to have the toys to make them seem like a bad ass.

I had to put up with howls of protest from the reich wing, but I have to commend you for the honest admission of the real and actual reason a lot of dudes want an assault rifle.
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Why the obsession with the penis size of gun owners?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
since i'm not a hunter, your question doesn't really apply. Since you don't believe that the 2nd Amendment is about individual rights as citizen militias, you will not like my answer, but since I trained with the M16s as a US Marine, the 15 is basically the same rifle, so i'm very comfortable with it and it's usage......which is to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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My, but you dance well in your own bullshit. Where did I say that I didn't believe in the 2nd Amendment? And since by LAW you can't have weapons that select to fully automatic, your comparison to the the AR15 is interesting, given that you gunners swear up and down that it's NOT a military style weapon. But as usual, historical facts make a fool of you https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...stion-on-assault-rifles&p=2311903#post2311903
 
BodyDouble said:
Is sitting in the back of the bus going to get you to your destination any faster or slower? Rosa Parks didn't NEED to sit in front of the bus. But, in a free society, there is no requirement to show "need" in order to exercise a right.
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Non-answer
 
BodyDouble said:
An AR-15 is a civilian version of a "battlefield weapon" and it is perfect for self-defense like several other firearms are.

If I shoot my (What you call) "battlefield weapons" but, when I burn up all the ammo. I bring on a shooting outing and then go to my bolt-action .22 rifle because it is less expensive to shoot, do I no longer have the need for a "penile extension" and/or no longer have "penis issues"? Would you say something similar about my penis when I drive my overly lifted and big rims and tires F-150 and then park it and drive my four-banger little truck?
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You sleep with that under your pillow or in your bed stand, huh?

On your Ford-150? Yep.
 
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