Another example of high-speed fail

T. A. Gardner said:
The flight time Lake Havasu to LA is 57 minutes.

https://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/Lake+Havasu+City,+AZ/to/Los+Angeles,+CA

This site claims it's 42 minutes.

https://www.distancesto.com/flight-time/us/lake-havasu-city-to-los-angeles/history/124023.html

This one 50 minutes.

https://www.distancesto.com/flight-...es-connection-quartzsite/history/1130969.html

Trip advisor shows a round trip from Lake Havasu to LA is as cheap as $44.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g32655-o31262-Lake_Havasu_City_to_Los_Angeles.html

Regardless, a train would have multiple stops along the way between the two cities and it wouldn't be high speed fail so you are looking at around 70 mph which means it would take several hours to cover the distance. Even high speed fail at 150 mph would take hours to run the distance. Stop times for trains would be well in excess of 1 minute per station. In addition, all it takes for trains to end up like airports for security is a single serious terrorist attack on one. You can bet your ass:

A. That will happen and is more likely to happen with more train use.
B. That it is likely to happen regardless out of an over-abundance of caution.

As for locations of airports, that varies. Sky Harbor in Phoenix is minutes from downtown Phoenix and flights in and out go over downtown daily as but one example.
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There is no train between Lake Havasu City and Los Angeles, so the argument is moot.

The only way between them is by air or simply driving (what most people do).

Trains are MORE susceptible to terrorism damage, particularly high speed rail, and in particularly, maglev trains running in an evacuated tube.
No security force in the world can prevent an attack somewhere along the entire track.

From SeaTac airport, travel to downtown is just minutes (if you really want to go into that hellhole). You can take the light rail, the bus, a taxi, or just rent a car. The longest trips are by bus, then by light rail. Either of these will require a wait of up to 30 minutes for the next vehicle, paying a fare (cash is not accepted on the light rail), you must buy a transit card at a vending machine; but at least that vending machine can take cash). Buses are exact change only. They do not give change.

A car or taxi will get you downtown in about 15 minutes. The bus will do that in about 45 minutes (plus up to 30 minutes waiting for the bus). The light rail will take about 35-40 minutes, but the wait time is less (about 15 minutes).
Be aware that thugs ride the buses and light rail trains.

Seattle's main train station (King Street station) is right in the middle of Pioneer Square, a center of poverty, thugs, mentally ill, homeless, and drug users. It is the only train station in Seattle serving any heavy rail (which is very little these days).
 
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Into the Night said:
There is no train between Lake Havasu City and Los Angeles, so the argument is moot.

The only way between them is by air or simply driving (what most people do).

Trains are MORE susceptible to terrorism damage, particularly high speed rail, and in particularly, maglev trains running in an evacuated tube.
No security force in the world can prevent an attack somewhere along the entire track.

From SeaTac airport, travel to downtown is just minutes (if you really want to go into that hellhole). You can take the light rail, the bus, a taxi, or just rent a car. The longest trips are by bus, then by light rail. Either of these will require a wait of up to 30 minutes for the next vehicle, paying a fare (cash is not accepted on the light rail), you must buy a transit card at a vending machine; but at least that vending machine can take cash). Buses are exact change only. They do not give change.

A car or taxi will get you downtown in about 15 minutes. The bus will do that in about 45 minutes (plus up to 30 minutes waiting for the bus). The light rail will take about 35-40 minutes, but the wait time is less (about 15 minutes).
Be aware that thugs ride the buses and light rail trains.

Seattle's main train station (King Street station) is right in the middle of Pioneer Square, a center of poverty, thugs, mentally ill, homeless, and drug users. It is the only train station in Seattle serving any heavy rail (which is very little these days).
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you arent smart enough to figure out a simple face mask, get back in your mothers basement
 
Walt said:
Air travel has gone back and forth between small profits and unbelievable losses. That is the reason so many airlines have declared bankruptcy in the last few decades. The FAA is a subsidy for the air traffic, as is the airports we built for them. The landing fees have never paid for the airports.

Trains on the other hand pay for not just themselves, but the tracks they are on. The high profit areas are cargo, and commuters in the Northeast.
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Nothing you have posted are factual nor suggest knowledge. But rather, bullshit and ignorance. Passenger rail travel hasn't been profitable for decades and if not for taxpayers, would disappear.

Try to be less stupid and ignorant. :palm:

Though many public transit systems across the U.S. have increased fares in recent years, chances are your local transit system still isn’t breaking even on your ride: According to a Hamilton Project (THP) post, of the more than 1,800 mass transit systems in the United States—including those running trains, buses, or other transport modes—only about two percent reported that fare revenue exceeded operating expenses in 2013.

And when it comes to metro rail systems across the U.S.—which include heavy rail, such as subways and elevated trains, and light rail, which operates at street level—all U.S. systems reported operating at a loss.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...stems-that-lose-the-most-money-per-passenger/
 
Walt said:
I know people who fly into work, but none commute. They will fly to a remote location, or to a place they cannot afford to live, for a week or three, and then fly out. They do not do a daily commute. Every now and then, you hear of someone flying into Manhattan on a helicopter, but is extremely rare on a daily basis.

So why don't you name some of these people who commute by air?

The vast majority of the people commute in our biggest city by rail. Outside of the USA, it is the norm to commute by rail into any major city. Europeans and Chinese commute by high speed rail by the millions. Literally hundreds of millions of people worldwide commute by rail.
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Once again your deflections and comments are OFF the topic. Yes, many commute on trains, AND, the trains operate at a loss and require massive subsidies. That's the point dipshit. :palm:
 
Truth Detector said:
Nothing you have posted are factual nor suggest knowledge. But rather, bullshit and ignorance. Passenger rail travel hasn't been profitable for decades and if not for taxpayers, would disappear.

Try to be less stupid and ignorant. :palm:

Though many public transit systems across the U.S. have increased fares in recent years, chances are your local transit system still isn’t breaking even on your ride: According to a Hamilton Project (THP) post, of the more than 1,800 mass transit systems in the United States—including those running trains, buses, or other transport modes—only about two percent reported that fare revenue exceeded operating expenses in 2013.

And when it comes to metro rail systems across the U.S.—which include heavy rail, such as subways and elevated trains, and light rail, which operates at street level—all U.S. systems reported operating at a loss.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...stems-that-lose-the-most-money-per-passenger/
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Quite right. Passenger rail service, even commuter rail, is only there because of government programs. All light rail is also paid for entirely by government.
 
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