Are Blacks Are Too Stupid to Obtain Voter ID?

jbander said:
Nonsense, total bullshit. Immigrants don't vote and there is no voter fraud. you have no argument. Heritage foundation did a in depth study on voter fraud for many years , in all those many years they did the study, 4 people were found guilty of voter fraud in a presidential election, three by Republicans and one by a democrat.
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Voter fraud is almost non-existent.
Vote suppression is our serious problem.

But immigrants certainly DO vote.
People who make the effort to become naturalized citizens take voting pretty seriously.
 
anonymoose said:
See post above yours.
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Yup. Vote suppression.
I believe in mail-in voting in principle, but actually vote at the polls on election day.
I'm always in and out in a few minutes.
This is in several precincts since 1968, not just certain ones.

Some localities just don't do their jobs. That's vote suppression.
It's also why I have more faith in central government than in home rule.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Dude, you really need to screen your own posts to avoid looking stupid. Of course immigrants can vote. It depends upon the state or if they've been naturalized.

Voter fraud exists, despite your lies that it doesn't. OTOH, the Republicans lie about how often it occurs, so you're equal to a Trumpster. :laugh:

Good thing you are smart enough to not bet me. :)

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States
In 1996, the U.S. Congress passed a law prohibiting noncitizens from voting in federal elections, such as U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and presidential elections. Federal law did not address state or local elections.[1]

As of March 2020, two state constitutions specified that noncitizens may not vote in state and local elections: Arizona's and North Dakota's. No state constitutions explicitly allowed noncitizens to vote in state or local elections.[2]

Ten municipalities across the country allowed noncitizens to vote in local elections as of March 2020. Nine were located in Maryland. The other was San Francisco, California.

According to the Pew Research Center, there were approximately 25 million noncitizens living in the U.S. as of 2017. That included 12.3 million permanent residents and 2.2 million temporary residents in the country with legal permission and 10.5 million living in the country without legal permission



https://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf
The September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks spurred a major legislative initiative, the Real ID Act of 2005,
which requires states to meet costly minimum security standards for drivers’ licenses that many fear will
move the country toward a system of national ID—with negative consequences for electoral participation.1

Voter ID debates currently raging across the states join the disparate issues of voter fraud and election
integrity, security against terrorist attacks, and identification requirements. Proponents argue that more
stringent ID requirements like those embodied in a “Real ID” driver’s license are needed to protect against
voter fraud at the polls, and opponents argue that voter ID is a solution in search of a problem.


https://www.brennancenter.org/sites.../Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf
 A comprehensive 2014 study published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of
impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. Even this tiny
number is likely inflated, as the study’s author counted not just prosecutions or convictions, but
any and all credible claims.
 Two studies done at Arizona State University, one in 2012 and another in 2016, found similarly
negligible rates of impersonation fraud. The project found 10 cases of voter impersonation fraud
nationwide from 2000-2012. The follow-up study, which looked for fraud specifically in states
where politicians have argued that fraud is a pernicious problem, found zero successful
prosecutions for impersonation fraud in five states from 2012-2016.
 A review of the 2016 election found four documented cases of voter fraud.
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MYPOST"Illegals don't vote and there is no voter fraud, so if those are your reasons ,then that just verifies the fact that it is a waste of time , other then taking away the votes of Democrats By the Bonzo space monkeys of the right.you are a joke. I got to admit I do enjoy it when a space monkey steps right up and verifies the stupid stamp written on their forehead. It is kind of fun, don't you think?"
 
anonymoose said:
I’ll tell you this: Our last mayoral election was mail in and thousands never received a ballot including me. I have ID, a voter registration card yet to vote I would have had to stand in line for about 2 hours at one of the two polling places available. I stood in line for about 40 or 50 minutes chatting with the other folks in line . NONE of them had received a ballot. ALL were from precincts that traditionally vote conservative. Our assembly and (acting) mayor are far left with an agenda to turn our once fair city into another Portland.
Fortunately conservative voters cherish their right to vote , many stood in line for hours, and it appears we will make a course correction in the runoff.
Eventually I gave up and for possibly the first time in my life I didn’t vote. And I vote in EVERY election, no matter how insignificant. I hadn’t budgeted that much time unexpectedly.
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What kind of bullshit story is this . The I know a guy routine. Your story is from a right winger so it is simply a lie to start with, that is until somehow you can prove me wrong. You people live on lies.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Voter fraud is almost non-existent.
Vote suppression is our serious problem.

But immigrants certainly DO vote.
People who make the effort to become naturalized citizens take voting pretty seriously.
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My post"Illegals don't vote and there is no voter fraud, so if those are your reasons ,then that just verifies the fact that it is a waste of time , other then taking away the votes of Democrats By the Bonzo space monkeys of the right.you are a joke. I got to admit I do enjoy it when a space monkey steps right up and verifies the stupid stamp written on their forehead. It is kind of fun, don't you think?"
 
jbander said:
Right wingers are like arguing with 6 year olds. Boy they can really bring the tough stuff.
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Yet you don't argue the point. Only argumentum ad hominem.
Apparently you consider me to have the mind of a 6 y.o. because I do not believe blacks or any other human is too lazy to get a free voter ID.
And that's OK.
Simple question, yes or no. Do you consider blacks too lazy to make the effort to get a free voter ID?
 
Nordberg said:
A rightys makes a claim about what the left thinks? That is how you start a thread?
Voter ID harms people without much money, with no transportation, and older people. It also hurts rural people because DMV offices are open sporadically or require a long drive.
When I had to get a passport, my ID was a big problem. My birth certificate took time, money, and driving around to obtain. The hospital I was born at had been sold and merged a few times. I was born before computers so the paperwork required workers to go through storage and enormous records. I recall going to 3 or 4 places just for the birth certificate.
Try that without a car. It was also not cheap.
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smarter people would have gone to the county clerk's office where they actually keep birth records instead of to a hospital where they don't......see you could have eliminated the first three places you drove you if you had just asked a smart person......
 
jbander said:
There is not a single reason in the world for voter ID other then taking away the vote of any block of people who have a majority of Democrats.
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so you agree that lots of demmycrats would be prevented from voting if people checked to make sure they were legitimate voters.......
 
jbander said:
MYPOST"Illegals don't vote and there is no voter fraud, so if those are your reasons ,then that just verifies the fact that it is a waste of time , other then taking away the votes of Democrats By the Bonzo space monkeys of the right.you are a joke. I got to admit I do enjoy it when a space monkey steps right up and verifies the stupid stamp written on their forehead. It is kind of fun, don't you think?"
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Awesome. Thanks for clearing that up.

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anonymoose said:
Yet you don't argue the point. Only argumentum ad hominem.
Apparently you consider me to have the mind of a 6 y.o. because I do not believe blacks or any other human is too lazy to get a free voter ID.
And that's OK.
Simple question, yes or no. Do you consider blacks too lazy to make the effort to get a free voter ID?
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simple question yes or no , are you always this much of a idiot.
 
anonymoose said:
Wow. You really are beaten.
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Ya you bet small time , you haven't even touched me. Your just another number that I've run over like a freight train and it has nothing to do with my ability, it has everything to do with your total lack of ability, Your hate group is like dealing with a 3rd grader. You are a hoot my friend.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Voter fraud is almost non-existent.
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Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers again.
NiftyNiblick said:
Vote suppression is our serious problem.
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No. Election fraud is the serious problem.
NiftyNiblick said:
But immigrants certainly DO vote.
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Pivot fallacy. The discussion is about illegal immigrants. They are not allowed to vote (legally). They are, however, used by Democrats to bus around and vote multiple times under false names. It's a lot easier to print up ballots and have illegals fill them out and mail them off for pay.
 
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