Are Libertarians Happy they voted for Joe Biden?

[SmarterthanYou]

So you are confirming Damocles' view that Libertarians are debilitatingly stupid, that they are incognizant of the full budget and spending control of Congress, and instead stupidly assign full authority to the secretary (President) who simply compiles the initial paperwork. Wow. That is a very bleak picture you paint. Libertarians must be those happy people participating in the Special Olympics, if what you are saying is true. Do we let them vote?

you're obviously confused between what is a Libertarian and what are Democrats and Republicans.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Really, according to who?

people who aren't members of the DNC.....

 

[IBDaMann]

you're obviously confused between what is a Libertarian and what are Democrats and Republicans.

You are obviously confused about how stupid Damocles and Flash think Libertarians are. They think Libertarians totally conflate entire branches of government.

I totally understand that Democrats crave unification of power under an oligarchy, and despise any sort of separation of powers, but now Damocles and Flash are claiming that Libertarians want that as well by assuming fiat budget and spending authority in the Presidency.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Prior to the last presidential election, Trump was against foreign entanglements--Libertarian Platform plank 3.3. Trump also supported and signed a criminal justice reform act (plank 1.7), reduced government regulation (plank 2.8), made major steps toward peaceful relationships in the Middle East (plank 3.3), and encouraged private domestic energy production (plank 2.3). So, Trump had quite a bit of Libertarian idealism in his makeup.

But what the Libertarian Party accomplished in 2020 was giving us government vaccine mandates, growing foreign entanglements in a regional European war, huge government deficits, and growing inflation. How did the Libertarian Party accomplish this? In three states--Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--the total Libertarian vote for Biden was 4.9, 5.3, and 1.9, respectively, times the Democrat vote margin for Biden inn those states.

Had Trump won those 3 states with the Libertarian vote he would still be our greatest modern day president.

So, Libertarians--particularly in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--two plus years into the Biden administration, are you happy?

Is the unrestricted immigration (Libertarian Party Platform plank 3.4) worth giving up personal liberty (plank 1.1) and voting in vaccine mandates? Is immigration worth more government interference in the market? Is immigration worth more racial division? Is immigration worth a larger, more oppressive government? Is immigration worth a government seeking to and pressuring private businesses to shut down free speech? Is there anything you are getting as a Libertarian from the Biden administration other than unrestricted immigration? I could not find a Libertarian Party Platform that said "no mean tweets."
James L. Swofford

I didn't vote for Biden. :shrug:

Didn't vote for Trump either after he spewed forth his signing of spending bills, pushed his vaccine, and helped to shut down the country for months and destroy the economy.


And if anyone thinks Biden has given unrestricted immigration, they're equally as braindead - indeed, despite his bluster he's kept most of Trump's policies and has detained record numbers of border crossers with his Border Patrol

 

[IBDaMann]

stop showing your ignorance about Libertarian platforms. it's all about freedom, you know......something that Democrats and Republicans know very little about.

Increasingly it is a topic about which Libertarians know very little. Sad.

 

[IBDaMann]

I think the personality traits you find repulsive are exactly the reasons Republicans worship their Messiah Trump.

For how many Republicans do you speak?

 

[Gondwanaland]

Ron and Rand Paul ran and run as Republicans.

To be fair, most of us Libertarians call them Paulitarians. They have some Libertarian traits but are not really largely libertarian.

 

[Gondwanaland]

I doubt that Libertarians voted for Biden. They didn't vote for Trump, but they also didn't vote for Biden. If Trump wanted their vote he should have acted like it. Spending like a drunken democrat on methamphetamines was not in any way libertarian. Trump sold himself to Libertarians in 2016 as someone who knew how to balance a budget and to limit spending, he did neither.

Libertarians voted for Jo Jorgensen because Trump had no compunction against spending and breaking the promises that meant something to Libertarians. While some may have been happy with his choices for SCOTUS, that was not enough to overcome his overly massive (and growing) deficit spending. They didn't vote for Brandon either because that moron planned to spend even more while somehow magically lowering the deficit at the same time (you cannot tax your way to prosperity, it takes economic growth while limiting spending to do that, not just taxes).

Anyway, the increased radicalization of the two major parties make Libertarians want to puke, they voted for Jo Jorgensen because there was no other option that wouldn't be just voting for a bucket of poop (just the one you think has "less" poop)... Our "two" choices were not the only ones, and the two folks running those campaigns didn't care to try to get Libertarians to vote for them.

I didn't vote for Jorgensen either with the last few months of the campaign consisting of giving obeisance to the Marxist BLM movement.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Prior to the last presidential election, Trump was against foreign entanglements--Libertarian Platform plank 3.3. Trump also supported and signed a criminal justice reform act (plank 1.7), reduced government regulation (plank 2.8), made major steps toward peaceful relationships in the Middle East (plank 3.3), and encouraged private domestic energy production (plank 2.3). So, Trump had quite a bit of Libertarian idealism in his makeup.

But what the Libertarian Party accomplished in 2020 was giving us government vaccine mandates, growing foreign entanglements in a regional European war, huge government deficits, and growing inflation. How did the Libertarian Party accomplish this? In three states--Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--the total Libertarian vote for Biden was 4.9, 5.3, and 1.9, respectively, times the Democrat vote margin for Biden inn those states.

Had Trump won those 3 states with the Libertarian vote he would still be our greatest modern day president.

So, Libertarians--particularly in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--two plus years into the Biden administration, are you happy?

Is the unrestricted immigration (Libertarian Party Platform plank 3.4) worth giving up personal liberty (plank 1.1) and voting in vaccine mandates? Is immigration worth more government interference in the market? Is immigration worth more racial division? Is immigration worth a larger, more oppressive government? Is immigration worth a government seeking to and pressuring private businesses to shut down free speech? Is there anything you are getting as a Libertarian from the Biden administration other than unrestricted immigration? I could not find a Libertarian Party Platform that said "no mean tweets."
James L. Swofford

libertarians are now just globalist corporate sellouts.

 

[Libhater]

I will never vote for Trump. you can frame this in any retarded way you want - but I will never understand how anyone can vote for that narcissistic man child

See if you can read through all of Trump's presidential accomplishments from the link below, and then, if you do read them all since it's rather long, then tell me any one reason why every registered voter shouldn't vote for Trump again come Nov of 2024--based on accomplishments and not based on a mean tweet. And if you do read through them all, could you then perhaps come up with a list of biden's presidential accomplishments, so that we can compare the two? That sure would be quite interestingly humorous to say the least. The term narcissistic man child just didn't seem to register when looking at Trump's great accomplishments for the American people and for America itself.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I would say that since nearly 75% of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and Joke's popularity is hovering just above 35%, that outside the radical Left and True Believers on the Left, NOBODY likes Joke Biden. Trump is mostly despised for being Trump, not particularly for anything he's actually done as president or as a politician. On the other hand, the majority of Americans think Biden's policies have fucked them and the nation, and that's obvious in that 75% saying everything's going wrong.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

stop showing your ignorance about Libertarian platforms. it's all about freedom, you know......something that Democrats and Republicans know very little about.

Stop showing your ass!

 

[IBDaMann]

Ron and Rand Paul ran and run as Republicans.

To be fair, most of us Libertarians call them Paulitarians.

That is both silly and unfair. Rand Paul has to make concessions in order to gain concessions. He never caves to anti-libertarian forces, he never cedes to tyranny and he alerts the nation whenever anything foul is afoot. You are making the egregious error of bashing Rand Paul for not being less effective.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I don't understand your last sentence. Many candidates have run for office on the Libertarian ticket and not as independents.

Libertarian Party Platform: https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-LP-Platform-0720.pdf

Anyone can run as whatever they want- But there is no official Libertarian Party, and there are only 3 ways to run in a U.S. presidential election- As a Democrat- As a Republican- or as an Independent!

Next!

 

[Gondwanaland]

Anyone can run as whatever they want- But there is no official Libertarian Party, and there are only 3 ways to run in a U.S. presidential election- As a Democrat- As a Republican- or as an Independent!

Next!

Factually incorrect

 

[Flash]

So you are confirming Damocles' view that Libertarians are debilitatingly stupid, that they are incognizant of the full budget and spending control of Congress, and instead stupidly assign full authority to the secretary (President) who simply compiles the initial paperwork. Wow. That is a very bleak picture you paint. Libertarians must be those happy people participating in the Special Olympics, if what you are saying is true. Do we let them vote?

I am making no conclusions about Libertarians. I am clearly stating the making of the budget as you describe above does not reflect actual practice and has not for many years. It says more about your understanding than it does for libertarians.

The president does a lot more than compile the paperwork. He directs the agencies about spending limits and priorities and budgets are often returned to those agencies if they do not fit the president's requests. The budget passed by Congress is within about 5% of that requested by the president.

While Congress has the power to control the budget, they seldom do so. They never even have a budget ready by October.

 

[Flash]

Anyone can run as whatever they want- But there is no official Libertarian Party, and there are only 3 ways to run in a U.S. presidential election- As a Democrat- As a Republican- or as an Independent!

Next!

Not even close.

Libertarians are organized in 48 states plus D.C. The Libertarian candidate for president won 1.8 million votes in 2020. The number of 3rd party and independent candidates on the ballot varies by state based on how easy or difficult the laws of that state make it to get on the ballot.

In 2020 presidential candidates were on the ballot for the Libertarian, Green, Alliance, Constitution, PSL, American Solidarity, Independent Party (separate from an independent candidate), and Birthday Party (Kanye West).

 

[IBDaMann]

I am making no conclusions about Libertarians.

Yes, you are. You are making a full-court press in rationalizing Libertarians' blaming of Congressional budget and spending decisions onto Trump. You are making Libertarians out to be petty and stupid.

I am clearly stating the making of the budget as you describe above does not reflect actual practice and has not for many years.

This is nonsense. I don't think you have any idea what goes on in the budget process.

The president does a lot more than compile the paperwork.

Nope. The President's authority ends with the compiling of the (digital) paperwork that he presents to Congress for them to pick apart. You really don't have any idea what goes on.

He directs the agencies about spending limits and priorities and budgets are often returned to those agencies if they do not fit the president's requests.

Nope. Congress determines all of the colors of money. The President does not. Congress fences money whenever and wherever it wishes and there's nothing the President can do about it if he doesn't like it. The President only has discretion to the extent that Congress grants discretion. Your statements that attempt to wrest budget and spending authority from Congress to the President solely to justify blaming Trump is totally absurd.

The budget passed by Congress is within about 5% of that requested by the president.

I bet you don't know the reason for that. Hint: the correct answer is not that the President has Congressional powers.

While Congress has the power to control the budget, they seldom do so.

Congress always maintains firm control over the budget. They don't let anyone decide anything outside the specific discretion they build into each spending account. Your statement is absurd.

They never even have a budget ready by October.

That's a completely different matter.

 

[anonymoose]

Anyone can run as whatever they want- But there is no official Libertarian Party, and there are only 3 ways to run in a U.S. presidential election- As a Democrat- As a Republican- or as an Independent!

Next!

There’s almost always a Libertarian on our ballots for most positions. Definitely for president.
Maybe not where you are. But…
Jo Jorgensen was on the ballot of all 50 states, as was Gary Johnson in 2016. They would most definitely NOT have been listed as independents.

 

[Lightbringer]

Prior to the last presidential election, Trump was against foreign entanglements--Libertarian Platform plank 3.3. Trump also supported and signed a criminal justice reform act (plank 1.7), reduced government regulation (plank 2.8), made major steps toward peaceful relationships in the Middle East (plank 3.3), and encouraged private domestic energy production (plank 2.3). So, Trump had quite a bit of Libertarian idealism in his makeup.

But what the Libertarian Party accomplished in 2020 was giving us government vaccine mandates, growing foreign entanglements in a regional European war, huge government deficits, and growing inflation. How did the Libertarian Party accomplish this? In three states--Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--the total Libertarian vote for Biden was 4.9, 5.3, and 1.9, respectively, times the Democrat vote margin for Biden inn those states.

Had Trump won those 3 states with the Libertarian vote he would still be our greatest modern day president.

So, Libertarians--particularly in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin--two plus years into the Biden administration, are you happy?

Is the unrestricted immigration (Libertarian Party Platform plank 3.4) worth giving up personal liberty (plank 1.1) and voting in vaccine mandates? Is immigration worth more government interference in the market? Is immigration worth more racial division? Is immigration worth a larger, more oppressive government? Is immigration worth a government seeking to and pressuring private businesses to shut down free speech? Is there anything you are getting as a Libertarian from the Biden administration other than unrestricted immigration? I could not find a Libertarian Party Platform that said "no mean tweets."
James L. Swofford

No one gives a flying fuck about libertarians.