Are there Any Conservatives/Republicans Here That are Not Trump Fans?

[CASPER]

I have to ask, are there any Conservatives/Republicans that do not consider themselves tied to Trump but believe the GOP needs to remain free to be who they were and should not be controlled by Donald Trump?

There is a poll and I would ask that only Conservatives/Republicans vote in it, the rest can voice their opinion but let the right have their voice in the poll, Thanks.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Not a Republican and relatively moderate. By your standards I'm a Conservative, but that's not really true. I know dyed in the wool Conservatives and Tea Party types and they are cringe worthy in many cases. I can tolerate them, but just.
On the other hand, I absolutely despise the Left and everything it stands for. The Left in my view is evil. Not that those on the Left are some sort of devils incarnate, most are reasonably nice people. But the ideas they have on politics and social issues end up producing evil. That's a provable historical fact.

I see Trump as a manifestation of the hard turn to the Left the Democrat party has made. There is a big chunk of the middle and independents like me that wouldn't vote for a Democrat simply on the basis of their party now being run by Leftists. Trump became a symbol of the more Conservative wing of the Republican party but he got support well into the center of the political spectrum because the alternative was to put it in simple terms, pure shit.

Now, if you're a Leftist you won't have a clue how that worked. For the rest-of-us, it was we wanted no part of your massive expansion of government, Socialism, hand outs, coddling of the stupid and lazy, and any number of other idiocies the Left was pushing. Given no alternative, Trump was it. The Republicans having run McCain and Romney previously only added to that as both are really just Democrat-lite.

If the GOP wants Trump to go away, they need to find somebody that has a pair that will stand up to the Left and tell them to go to hell like Trump has. Sure, Trump is a coarse, bloviating, troll but he speaks to a big chunk of America in a way they can filter the nonsense out and recognize he's in their corner. What the GOP needs is Trump's policies and message without the vitriol and grating arrogance of Trump delivering it.

 

[CASPER]

Not a Republican and relatively moderate. By your standards I'm a Conservative, but that's not really true. I know dyed in the wool Conservatives and Tea Party types and they are cringe worthy in many cases. I can tolerate them, but just.
On the other hand, I absolutely despise the Left and everything it stands for. The Left in my view is evil. Not that those on the Left are some sort of devils incarnate, most are reasonably nice people. But the ideas they have on politics and social issues end up producing evil. That's a provable historical fact.

I see Trump as a manifestation of the hard turn to the Left the Democrat party has made. There is a big chunk of the middle and independents like me that wouldn't vote for a Democrat simply on the basis of their party now being run by Leftists. Trump became a symbol of the more Conservative wing of the Republican party but he got support well into the center of the political spectrum because the alternative was to put it in simple terms, pure shit.

Now, if you're a Leftist you won't have a clue how that worked. For the rest-of-us, it was we wanted no part of your massive expansion of government, Socialism, hand outs, coddling of the stupid and lazy, and any number of other idiocies the Left was pushing. Given no alternative, Trump was it. The Republicans having run McCain and Romney previously only added to that as both are really just Democrat-lite.

If the GOP wants Trump to go away, they need to find somebody that has a pair that will stand up to the Left and tell them to go to hell like Trump has. Sure, Trump is a coarse, bloviating, troll but he speaks to a big chunk of America in a way they can filter the nonsense out and recognize he's in their corner. What the GOP needs is Trump's policies and message without the vitriol and grating arrogance of Trump delivering it.

I assume you vote Other. And thanks for the explanation, always good to hear peoples point of view, and refreshing that is was said with out the usual screaming we so too often get from some here.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I assume you vote Other. And thanks for the explanation, always good to hear peoples point of view, and refreshing that is was said with out the usual screaming we so too often get from some here.

I vote "other" / third party when I have a good feeling that the Democrat / Leftist will lose the election anyway. I vote Republican when I think my vote is necessary to help stop a Leftist Democrat from gaining power.

Here in Arizona, I actually like Krysten Sinema as a Senator. I have reservations about voting for her because she's a Democrat and that will put or keep the Democrat party in power. When she was younger and running for state offices she was very much a Leftist and there was no way I'd vote for her. But she's grown up and is now much more of a centrist only in a party that could care less what the Center thinks or wants.

 

[CASPER]

I vote "other" / third party when I have a good feeling that the Democrat / Leftist will lose the election anyway. I vote Republican when I think my vote is necessary to help stop a Leftist Democrat from gaining power.

Here in Arizona, I actually like Krysten Sinema as a Senator. I have reservations about voting for her because she's a Democrat and that will put or keep the Democrat party in power. When she was younger and running for state offices she was very much a Leftist and there was no way I'd vote for her. But she's grown up and is now much more of a centrist only in a party that could care less what the Center thinks or wants.

Just a thought, if you truly consider yourself a Independent, then maybe you should consider not thinking so much in terms of Party and more in terms of what someone is bringing to the table and their stands and solutions on the issues, plus how it does or not does not benefit the Nation, since as an Independent, the Nation itself is your Party. Just food for thought.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Just a thought, if you truly consider yourself a Independent, then maybe you should consider not thinking so much in terms of Party and more in terms of what someone is bringing to the table and their stands and solutions on the issues, plus how it does or not does not benefit the Nation, since as an Independent, the Nation itself is your Party. Just food for thought.

Well, that can't work. The reason is that at least in Dirty City on the Federal level the party with the majority reaps a huge benefit in controlling committees, the agenda, etc., regardless of what some of their party members views on various legislation might be. I have more flexibility at the state and local level over that.
Take what's going on in Congress right now. I don't see where letting the Democrats control the agenda will help the nation. The few moderates in the Democrat party aren't controlling that, they're just warm bodies that give the Democrats control.

 

[Code1211]

I have to ask, are there any Conservatives/Republicans that do not consider themselves tied to Trump but believe the GOP needs to remain free to be who they were and should not be controlled by Donald Trump?

There is a poll and I would ask that only Conservatives/Republicans vote in it, the rest can voice their opinion but let the right have their voice in the poll, Thanks.

To my way of thinking, there is only one major political party in the US and it is comprised of the Democrat Party and the Republican Party.

These two groups claim to be competitors, but act as co-conspirators to assure that additional parties cannot enter the political debate in any meaningful way.

Trump was one who had analyzed the dynamics of the "Two Party System", understood the scam being perpetrated and coopted the rank and file voters of the Republican constituency and the Democrat-Constituency.

The elites of the UNI-Party hate all of the little people. Trump loves them. His policies resulted in an average increase of the Median Household Income of almost $2000 per year in the three years 2017 through 2019.

ANYONE who is not a kazillionaire that does not support Trump is a blithering idiot with no understanding whatever of the screwing they've been taking from our oligarch-politicians for centuries.

Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[Phantasmal]

Civil Rights are not evil
Feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, and widowed is not evil
Protecting the Environment is not evil
Diplomacy is not evil
DACA is not evil
Equality for All is not evil.

 

[Code1211]

I vote "other" / third party when I have a good feeling that the Democrat / Leftist will lose the election anyway. I vote Republican when I think my vote is necessary to help stop a Leftist Democrat from gaining power.

Here in Arizona, I actually like Krysten Sinema as a Senator. I have reservations about voting for her because she's a Democrat and that will put or keep the Democrat party in power. When she was younger and running for state offices she was very much a Leftist and there was no way I'd vote for her. But she's grown up and is now much more of a centrist only in a party that could care less what the Center thinks or wants.

With many, many politicians, their choice of party is only a choice that they believe will put them into office. I may not like diesel engine exhaust, but if the bus takes me where I'm going, I'll ride it.

In our current Uni-Party situation, EVEN IF a conservative is elected as a Democrat, they are obliged to support that party's leadership. A conservative Democrat in Congress will STILL vote to appoint Pelosi or Schumer as their leader.

The REAL goal of our Uni-Party is to assure that there can NEVER be an effective Third Party. That is why so many in Washington on both "sides" opposed Trump so passionately. He was constructing an effective Third Party.

If you are an American who strives to earn a living, has a family, wants the best for your kids and hopes to simply live in a safe and secure country, you are opposed by the oligarchs of the Uni-Party.

The ONLY person working to advance the interests of the average guy in national politics that I have ever seen in my unexpectedly long life is Trump.

BOTH of the major political parties labor tirelessly to steal to maintain the oligarch classes and the systems that enrich them and diminish the little guy even more.

While elected politicians pander to the little people to get votes and to get useful idiots to help steal elections, they hate us. They detest the indignity when they are forced to be near us and resent those times when they are forced to communicate with us.

The now openly abusive oligarchs running the Social Media Platforms arrogantly and impudently cancel, censor and shun political opponents.

We live in interesting times. So did the folks working in the cotton fields in the Antebellum South.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Civil Rights are not evil
Feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, and widowed is not evil
Protecting the Environment is not evil
Diplomacy is not evil
DACA is not evil
Equality for All is not evil.

Destroying a culture is evil & disrespectful.

That's what assimilation & miscegenation is leading to.

An America where many groups will be replaced.

Starting with Native Americans & American Jews who both have nearly 60% marry outside their own.

 

[Code1211]

Civil Rights are not evil
Feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, and widowed is not evil
Protecting the Environment is not evil
Diplomacy is not evil
DACA is not evil
Equality for All is not evil.

Allowing freedom for people to do all of those things is not evil either.

In passing, Civil Rights exist. To prove this, the most restricted race in the United States is also the race that is the most successful: Asians.

Asians are a minority, are the most wealthy, the smartest and the most likely to be employed in the highest paying jobs.

The Civil Rights battles are over. Minorities won. Prominent within the general group of minorities are those of African Heritage who seem to rank at the bottom of all measurable categories in education, wages, wealth and upward mobility.

The question stopped being how may they be helped long ago. The question must now be, "Why is all of this 'help' having little or no impact?". Are the actions seen to be "help" actually hurtful?

Democrat Diplomacy is misguided. How many Mid-East Peace deals did Obama sign? The answer is, of course, none. The question, of course, is "Why?".

DACA is not evil. The use of the illegally present aliens as a political football is. Why is the Uni-Party not solving this very simple problem?

Equality for All is not evil. That is true. however, we all know that we are all different. Some are taller and some are shorter. Some are male and others female. Some are smart and some are stupid.

To achieve "equality", are you suggesting that I should be as rich Zuckerberg or that Zuckerberg should be as poor as me?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I have to ask, are there any Conservatives/Republicans that do not consider themselves tied to Trump but believe the GOP needs to remain free to be who they were and should not be controlled by Donald Trump?

There is a poll and I would ask that only Conservatives/Republicans vote in it, the rest can voice their opinion but let the right have their voice in the poll, Thanks.

I'm fiscally conservative/socially liberal. I became a Republican when I first registered to vote at age 18 and remained so for 38 years until, to paraphrase Reagan, the Republican Party left me.

Trump is bad for any party. He's a narcissistic, delusional fucking moron. Why there is a cult following around him has the makings of a great doctoral thesis.

I didn't vote for Trump and have never voted for a Democratic President nor do I plan on doing so. Unlike others, I don't believe Democrats are evil, just too idealistic. They operate on "feel good" and emotion with almost a complete lack of reason. Republicans have become Democrats in that regard with Trump...a former Democrat.

 

[Code1211]

I'm fiscally conservative/socially liberal. I became a Republican when I first registered to vote at age 18 and remained so for 38 years until, to paraphrase Reagan, the Republican Party left me.

Trump is bad for any party. He's a narcissistic, delusional fucking moron. Why there is a cult following around him has the makings of a great doctoral thesis.

What are the policies and outcomes of Trump with which you disagree?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Civil Rights are not evil
Feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, and widowed is not evil
Protecting the Environment is not evil
Diplomacy is not evil
DACA is not evil
Equality for All is not evil.

Agreed. OTOH, Nanny Statism is wrong. Authoritarianism is wrong. Restricting things to protect minors is one thing but banning things from adult citizens is wrong.

FWIW, I don't believe in "evil" as a force. It's just the absence of good like darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What are the policies and outcomes of Trump with which you disagree?

Division, hatred, bigotry, narcissism, nepotism, being a selfish, petty, self-serving asshole.

I started a thread on Trump's EPIC Flounce from the White House and he exceeded my expectations with his attack on the Capitol.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...DACA is not evil. The use of the illegally present aliens as a political football is. Why is the Uni-Party not solving this very simple problem?..

Agreed DACA isn't evil. The reason the Democrats haven't solved the illegal immigration problem is the same reason the Republicans haven't solved it: too much money being made by a system which amounts to indentured servitude. A modern form of slavery.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Allowing freedom for people to do all of those things is not evil either.

In passing, Civil Rights exist. To prove this, the most restricted race in the United States is also the race that is the most successful: Asians.

Asians are a minority, are the most wealthy, the smartest and the most likely to be employed in the highest paying jobs.

The Civil Rights battles are over. Minorities won. Prominent within the general group of minorities are those of African Heritage who seem to rank at the bottom of all measurable categories in education, wages, wealth and upward mobility.

The question stopped being how may they be helped long ago. The question must now be, "Why is all of this 'help' having little or no impact?". Are the actions seen to be "help" actually hurtful?

Democrat Diplomacy is misguided. How many Mid-East Peace deals did Obama sign? The answer is, of course, none. The question, of course, is "Why?".

DACA is not evil. The use of the illegally present aliens as a political football is. Why is the Uni-Party not solving this very simple problem?

Equality for All is not evil. That is true. however, we all know that we are all different. Some are taller and some are shorter. Some are male and others female. Some are smart and some are stupid.

To achieve "equality", are you suggesting that I should be as rich Zuckerberg or that Zuckerberg should be as poor as me?

Right, African Americans are just as far behind today as pre civil rights, despite a massive decrease in racism & increase in rights.

Zuckerberg is censorship scumbag I don't think he deserves his salary.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I have to ask, are there any Conservatives/Republicans that do not consider themselves tied to Trump but believe the GOP needs to remain free to be who they were and should not be controlled by Donald Trump?

There is a poll and I would ask that only Conservatives/Republicans vote in it, the rest can voice their opinion but let the right have their voice in the poll, Thanks.

What makes you think main stream conservative/Republicans are Trump supporters??? Granted Trump enjoys support from the ultra right but that doesn't make them main stream Republicans. Trump did a pretty good job his first year in office. But then he allowed his EGO to dominate his thinking and he went down hill from there. I say that main stream Republicans are no different than the main stream Democrats that deplored the riots and demonstrations when Hillary lost to Trump.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Agreed DACA isn't evil. The reason the Democrats haven't solved the illegal immigration problem is the same reason the Republicans haven't solved it: too much money being made by a system which amounts to indentured servitude. A modern form of slavery.

The elite taught you during slavery Blacks weren't even Humans to justice slavery.
The elite taught you during illegal immigration Latinos were equal to justify multiculturalism.
( All to justify insane greed)

In both cases Western Europeans folded like a tortilla.

You people aren't very bright, either.

Easily brainwashed isn't even a strong enough term.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Division, hatred, bigotry, narcissism, nepotism, being a selfish, petty, self-serving asshole.

I started a thread on Trump's EPIC Flounce from the White House and he exceeded my expectations with his attack on the Capitol.

Right, Trump took an already divided country & made a us vs them mentality vs Democrats.
The Democrats were the ultimate villain.
This all helps Putin of course.