Are there Any Conservatives/Republicans Here That are Not Trump Fans?

[Nordberg]

Some examples, por favor?

How does saying what you believe turn into imposing? It is being correct that brings responsibility on listeners to accept the statements. But that act of stating facts and backed opinions is not imposing,.

 

[Concart]

Concart is pushing authoritarianism....he's not the first Democrat to do so.

Do you want a warm bottle and a safe space? Lol. I never knew you could whine with the best of them. Thanks for spreading my position around liberally. I’m not a Democrat. Nor am I pushing authoritarianism. But hide under your bed and lock up the guns.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Civil Rights are not evil
Feeding the poor, taking care of the sick, and widowed is not evil
Protecting the Environment is not evil
Diplomacy is not evil
DACA is not evil
Equality for All is not evil.

Nothing to add...just want to say it again.

If the people who hate the left would only realize everything you wrote here, they might be cured.

 

[Concart]

How does saying what you believe turn into imposing? It is being correct that brings responsibility on listeners to accept the statements. But that act of stating facts and backed opinions is not imposing,.

I think he decided to play victim today because no one else was around for him to stir up shit with. He needs attention. I guess it was my lucky day. Obviously I’m not imposing anything nor can I. It’s hilarious that a ban on semiautomatic weapons (which we’ve already had in this country) is oppression on the scale of Stalin. Oh the horror. Someone needs to get some pearls for Dutch to clutch.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you want a warm bottle and a safe space? Lol. I never knew you could whine with the best of them. Thanks for spreading my position around liberally. I’m not a Democrat. Nor am I pushing authoritarianism. But hide under your bed and lock up the guns.

Your OP is pushing authoritarianism.

 

[Concart]

Your OP is pushing authoritarianism.

Bullshit. Stop whining.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Bullshit. Stop whining.

Okey-Dokey Mr. Unity. The Democrats worst enemy are their own excesses. Maybe it won't be so long for the Republicans to recover after all with you helping them.

 

[Phantasmal]

Protections for workers is not evil.
Equal pay for equal work is not evil.
Desiring good, affordable education for all citizens is not evil.
Health care for all our citizens is not evil.
Managing and then ending the pandemic is not evil.
Addressing social and wealth inequality is not evil.

And if it is, then I'm proud to be thought of as evil too.

As for Gardner, I have to laugh at anyone who declares himself a "moderate," then in the next breath claims that an entire political party and those who support their policies are "evil." Gardner is a moderate the same way I'm a submarine captain.

You always make me smile.

 

[Code1211]

Division, hatred, bigotry, narcissism, nepotism, being a selfish, petty, self-serving asshole.

I started a thread on Trump's EPIC Flounce from the White House and he exceeded my expectations with his attack on the Capitol.

I don't remember Trump attacking the capital.

Are you sure you were awake when you witnessed this?

Got a link?

 

[Code1211]

Agreed DACA isn't evil. The reason the Democrats haven't solved the illegal immigration problem is the same reason the Republicans haven't solved it: too much money being made by a system which amounts to indentured servitude. A modern form of slavery.

The Uni-Party once again accomplishing its real goals, out in the open for all to see.

Why do so many not see the real problem in Washington?

 

[Code1211]

Right, African Americans are just as far behind today as pre civil rights, despite a massive decrease in racism & increase in rights.

Zuckerberg is censorship scumbag I don't think he deserves his salary.

The question, then, observing your apparent belief that African Americans have STILL not achieved "equality" is to ask WHY they have not achieved equality.

Regardless of you feeling on whether or not Zuckerberg "deserves" his salary, my question stands. Do you feel I should be as rich as him or that he should be as poor as me.

In my eyes, Zuckerberg is a detestable human being. However, I also believe that we are equal as can be mandated by law. He just happens to have more money than me. I don't care.

What I DO care about is that he has the power to restrict free speech by limiting access to the market place of ideas. He is exercising that power AND the bought and paid for thieves in Washington are standing back and letting him do it.

 

[Nordberg]

I don't remember Trump attacking the capital.

Are you sure you were awake when you witnessed this?

Got a link?

Trump gave a speech telling the rioters to attack the capitol. Did you hear that? Trump repeatedly talked about the stolen election. There was no stolen election. He told his peeps that the election was stolen from them. How does that make sense? Trump tweeted to his followers over and over sturring them up with lies. He had several speakers enforce the lies. He said they should go to the capitol and he would go with them. This mess was a plot by Trumpy to overthrow the government.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I don't remember Trump attacking the capital.

Are you sure you were awake when you witnessed this?

Got a link?

Sure. Sorry to hear you are so old'n'clueless. I'm 65 and retired but can see why others aren't as fortunate as myself. Let me help you.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot

 

[Code1211]

Trump gave a speech telling the rioters to attack the capitol. Did you hear that? Trump repeatedly talked about the stolen election. There was no stolen election. He told his peeps that the election was stolen from them. How does that make sense? Trump tweeted to his followers over and over sturring them up with lies. He had several speakers enforce the lies. He said they should go to the capitol and he would go with them. This mess was a plot by Trumpy to overthrow the government.

You are simply wrong on ever point you posted regarding Trump or what he said.

You are a victim of propaganda and seem delighted to be misled by the lies you embrace.

 

[Code1211]

Sure. Sorry to hear you are so old'n'clueless. I'm 65 and retired but can see why others aren't as fortunate as myself. Let me help you.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot

Once again, you are posting lies that you either create or parrot.

Why?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Once again, you are posting lies that you either create or parrot.

Why?

No doubt you truly believe the picture was faked and that nothing happened at the Capitol on January 6th. That's okay. I know many of our septuagenarians on this forum have mental issues.

 

[Cypress]

I have to ask, are there any Conservatives/Republicans that do not consider themselves tied to Trump but believe the GOP needs to remain free to be who they were and should not be controlled by Donald Trump?

There is a poll and I would ask that only Conservatives/Republicans vote in it, the rest can voice their opinion but let the right have their voice in the poll, Thanks.

The problem with a poll like this is there are Deplorables on this forum who claim to not be Trump fans, but nonetheless will eagerly vote for him and spend countless hours running cover for him on obscure message boards.

To me, whether they are a Trumpf fan, or simply a Trump supporter/defender is a distinction without a difference

 

[Jerome]

Not a Republican and relatively moderate. By your standards I'm a Conservative, but that's not really true. I know dyed in the wool Conservatives and Tea Party types and they are cringe worthy in many cases. I can tolerate them, but just.
On the other hand, I absolutely despise the Left and everything it stands for. The Left in my view is evil. Not that those on the Left are some sort of devils incarnate, most are reasonably nice people. But the ideas they have on politics and social issues end up producing evil. That's a provable historical fact.

I see Trump as a manifestation of the hard turn to the Left the Democrat party has made. There is a big chunk of the middle and independents like me that wouldn't vote for a Democrat simply on the basis of their party now being run by Leftists. Trump became a symbol of the more Conservative wing of the Republican party but he got support well into the center of the political spectrum because the alternative was to put it in simple terms, pure shit.

Now, if you're a Leftist you won't have a clue how that worked. For the rest-of-us, it was we wanted no part of your massive expansion of government, Socialism, hand outs, coddling of the stupid and lazy, and any number of other idiocies the Left was pushing. Given no alternative, Trump was it. The Republicans having run McCain and Romney previously only added to that as both are really just Democrat-lite.

If the GOP wants Trump to go away, they need to find somebody that has a pair that will stand up to the Left and tell them to go to hell like Trump has. Sure, Trump is a coarse, bloviating, troll but he speaks to a big chunk of America in a way they can filter the nonsense out and recognize he's in their corner. What the GOP needs is Trump's policies and message without the vitriol and grating arrogance of Trump delivering it.

lol, what policies??

 

[Jerome]

Helping people is good. Banning things from people for their own good is dictatorial. It's one thing to ban smoking in public places, it's another thing to ban smoking, drugs or suicide because "the Federal State" disagrees with it.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Jerome]

The Republicans have become RW Democrats with their attempts to impose religious morality on the nation. It's one of the reasons why I'm no longer a Republican.

This doesn't absolve the Democrats from their efforts to impose their own views on all Americans.

When tf have "RW Democrats" (whatever the fuck those are) attempted to "impose religious morality on the nation"? That's been exclusively the province of Republicans, at least for the past 25 years.