Are we better off with a discredited FBI?

noise said:
The FBI LEADERSHIP ( so called 7th floor) are corrupt. Look at the demotions already.
Page
Strozk
Baker
Ribyiki (sp?)
McCabe..

virtually every time we talk about 'FBI corruption' -it's said as "FBI leadership"

Thing's OP doesn't separate it out -but nobody has any problems with the so called 'rank and file' agents.
Hopefully Thing ( and others) stop the conflation about "discrediting the FBI"
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I'd also add that Trump's admin has a much longer list of demotions and defections from his 1st year.

I suppose that means it is corrupt, as well?
 
PraiseKek said:
And there is none they weren't under subpoena and most if not all were recovered there was no Mens Rea unlike the bleach bit used and the devices smashed with hammers demonstrating criminal intent to permanently destroy evidence.
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3. Breaking and smashing

Longtime Bill Clinton aide Justin Cooper, who helped set up the private email account that Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state, was the person “usually responsible” for setting up her new devices and syncing them to the server. Top aides Huma Abedin and Monica Hanley, as well as another person whose name is redacted, also helped Clinton set up her BlackBerry.

According to Abedin and Hanley, Clinton’s old devices would often disappear to parts “unknown once she transitioned to a new device.”

Cooper, according to the report, “did recall two instances where he destroyed Clinton’s old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/best-of-clinton-fbi-report-227692

Doesn't sound like they were destroyed with malicious intent specific to destroying evidence etc.
 
Thing1 said:
Honestly, the bolded just shows that you're aware on some level of how damaging this is.

Yesterday's tweet was the first time I heard Trump separate it, and give praise to the rank & file. Not saying it's the first time he's done that, but as someone who follows him pretty closely, the vast majority of what he puts out there does not differentiate. He, Hannity & the rest talk about the FBI like it's a corrupt, partisan organization through & through. And he has spoken that way about the intel community & media as well.

It's reckless, and ham-handed at best. And it's all for self-preservation...he doesn't care what happens to America.
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You don't watch Hannity and you are parroting Dem talking points.
I've been forcing myself to watch him because he has been on this for almost a year,
and Sara Carter and John Solomon are excellent investigative reporters . It's been enlightening

Hannity CONSTANTLY differentiates "FBI leadership" from an amorphous "the FBI"-
so get that straight at least.

as to Trump and Twitter;
I'd be extremely pissed off myself to have this bogus albatross of "Russian collusion"
hung around my neck.
It's damaged his presidency,and it's clear "Russian collusion" was always crap- (unless you are still hoping for that).

Now we are finding out the FISA warrants were cooked with the Steele dossier- which some of us have been saying for a year - that the Steele dossier and the FISA warrants are suspect documents.

Trump hasn't fired Rosenstein or Mueller -and you know he wants to, but has shown restraint.
So I am at a loss at just exactly what you are objecting to here in regards to this pitiful national saga
 
Thing1 said:
How about intel agencies, and the media?

No - we're less safe, more vulnerable & diminished in ways that most of us probably can't comprehend yet.

And please don't give me the "they brought it on themselves." Every single bit of this - the Nunes memo, "fake news," conspiracies & overblown suspicion - is designed to protect one man. A guy who makes his living on a foundation of lies & exaggerations, but has somehow inspired a nearly blind loyalty out of not only supporters but many who recognized in the campaign that he IS a con man and charlatan.

Hannity is the leading voice for most of the charges against these institutions. Just take a few minutes to think about that one.
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how could we be better.....none of the ones who discredited it have been fired yet......
 
Sailor said:
Sure I do.
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No. You really don't. It seems the modus operandi on this forum to immediately accuse people you disagree with as having some affliction or another but it's simply the resort of those who can't come up with something relevant to say so insert an insult of some kind (or what they perceive to be an insult).

So, no. You don't have a point.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Listening to the American conservatives here...and the Trump sycophants...

...should give everyone a huge laugh.

If the things being done by the narcissistic boor in the Oval Office were being done by a Democrat...

...these same people would be advocating for revolution.

It seems, though, that enough American conservatives are able to see the Trump Administration situation for the deplorable abomination it is...and I think they will join with liberals and independents to end this horror show.

Yeah, the conservative deplorables who infest the Internet forums will continue to sieg the heil...but the most part they will be tasting their own irrelevancy.

That would be my bet.

We'll see.
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you do realize the shit in the news WAS done by a demmycrat, right?........
 
Gotcha68 said:
No. You really don't. It seems the modus operandi on this forum to immediately accuse people you disagree with as having some affliction or another but it's simply the resort of those who can't come up with something relevant to say so insert an insult of some kind (or what they perceive to be an insult).

So, no. You don't have a point.
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You were not truthful Gotcha. You do in fact appear to be rambling nonsensically. Which could be ADD. That is not an insult, just an accurate observation.
 
Thing1 said:
"Unparalleled corruption" is interesting language to use.

I never really took you for a Hannity devotee. If you think these minor accusations are "unparalleled corruption," it really makes me question not just your perspective on this, but your knowledge of U.S. history as a whole.
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give us the parallel then......
 
Frank Apisa said:
Wow!

Alongside your avatar, it indicates you are a member of the staff of this forum.

Obviously you have no respect for the forum of which you are a staff member. I can understand that, because you have no respect for yourself.

What amazes me is that the forum is willing to tolerate you as one of its representatives.
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I don't think even Grind will disagree that there are posters here for whom he has no respect.......if I remember correctly, I am one of them.....
 
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