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Oneuli

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I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.
 
Probably a racial issue stemming from the fact black people were brought here as slaves from Africa. (Did you know sub-saharan blacks lack any Neanderthal DNA?)
 
Oneuli said:
I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.
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Broadly speaking, Republicans do not want black people voting. And that was true even of the conservative Dixiecrats of a century ago when they controlled the South.

Don't take my word for it: there are about three billion posts on this forum with Republicans complaining that blacks only vote "to get free stuff".
 
Jack said:
Probably a racial issue stemming from the fact black people were brought here as slaves from Africa. (Did you know sub-saharan blacks lack any Neanderthal DNA?)
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that's a cool fact........explains why the don't have those big foreheads and jaws and far less body hair
 
Jack said:
Probably a racial issue stemming from the fact black people were brought here as slaves from Africa.
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The vast majority of blacks in this country come predominantly from the same West African racial stock. Yet the variation here between the high-disenfranchisement states (over 25% of black disenfranchised) and the low-disenfranchisement states (no disenfranchised blacks) is enormous. So, that's not an artifact of genetic factors. Instead, it's a product of political choices.

I suppose one could argue those political choices, themselves, are the product of genetic factors, though. For example, possibly the majority of whites who settled in the South were of genetically inferior stock, making them more prone to racism than the superior specimens in places like New England, and that this gave rise to so much disenfranchisement in the inferior areas (as well as, earlier, giving rise to a more persistent embrace of Jim Crow, slavery, etc.) But such genetic explanations aren't really appealing to me. I expect the genetic stock of the whites in those different areas isn't different enough to make any meaningful difference, and instead there are socioeconomic/cultural factors at work.

(Did you know sub-saharan blacks lack any Neanderthal DNA?)
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Yes -- at least for those who haven't had mixing with populations from other areas.
 
Oneuli said:
The vast majority of blacks in this country come predominantly from the same West African racial stock. Yet the variation here between the high-disenfranchisement states (over 25% of black disenfranchised) and the low-disenfranchisement states (no disenfranchised blacks) is enormous. So, that's not an artifact of genetic factors. Instead, it's a product of political choices.

I suppose one could argue those political choices, themselves, are the product of genetic factors, though. For example, possibly the majority of whites who settled in the South were of genetically inferior stock, making them more prone to racism than the superior specimens in places like New England, and that this gave rise to so much disenfranchisement in the inferior areas (as well as, earlier, giving rise to a more persistent embrace of Jim Crow, slavery, etc.) But such genetic explanations aren't really appealing to me. I expect the genetic stock of the whites in those different areas isn't different enough to make any meaningful difference, and instead there are socioeconomic/cultural factors at work.



Yes -- at least for those who haven't had mixing with populations from other areas.
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Oneuli: "Instead, it's a product of political choices."
Jack: I agree. It's a mindset held by a silent majority.

Oneuli: "... instead there are socioeconomic/cultural factors at work."
Jack: I agree completely. Many whites inherit property from their parents, while most black parents are propertyless and have nothing to leave to their children.

Oneuli: "Yes -- at least for those who haven't had mixing with populations from other areas."
Jack: Probably the solution to many problems here in the USA.
 
Oneuli said:
I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.
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LMAO... gee I wonder why Maine is so low? and Vermont? Could it be that both only have about 1% of their population that is black? Both are very low in terms of total population?
 
IT'S WHY BLACKS NEVER VOTE FOR THOSE ON THE RACIST RIGHT...….we KNOW they lie, cheat and steal for decades.

Time for white American to get on board.

THEY ARE FRAUDS TO THE HIGHEST ORDER.
 
They then use their right wing media to spew the lie that Blacks don't vote.

They even have some whites believing Hilary lost because Blacks didn't vote.

THEY ARE LIARS AND MINIPULATORS. …… stay clear of them. They will pick your pocket while shaking your hand.

DONT' BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT COME FROM THE RACIST RIGHT.

STOP TREATING THEM AS EQUALS...… STOP COMPROMISING WITH HATE......STOP TAKING THEIR ARGUMENTS AS IF THE ARE LEGIT. THEY SPEAK NONSENSE.

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE STOPPED.
 
Cypress said:
Broadly speaking, Republicans do not want black people voting. And that was true even of the conservative Dixiecrats of a century ago when they controlled the South.

Don't take my word for it: there are about three billion posts on this forum with Republicans complaining that blacks only vote "to get free stuff".
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This is total BS. The GOP wants the rules for voting to be followed by everyone. Democrats seem to think blacks are incapable of following the rules and therefore should not be subject to them. And we don’t think blacks vote to get “free stuff”, we think ALL democrats do
 
Hello Oneuli,

Oneuli said:
I recently ran across the following data:

https://www.sentencingproject.org/the-facts/#map?dataset-option=SIR

What is mind-blowing is what a high percentage of black people have been legally disenfranchised in many states. In a few states, it's none (e.g., Maine and Vermont), or next to none (0.83% in Massachusetts). But, throughout the South and in many other parts, disenfranchisement of blacks is sky-high. Over a quarter of blacks in Kentucky have been disenfranchised. Tennessee, Virginia, and Florida aren't far behind, with over a fifth of blacks disenfranchised.
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No big surprise here. The South wanted slavery. Fought a war over it and lost. Got told to end slavery, so they immediately went into racism. That stemmed from myths to justify slavery - that blacks were inferior - like beasts, and it was just for superior whites to enslave them. Changing the law didn't change the beliefs. And so discrimination set in. And prejudice. Blacks were shut out of wealth-building with job discrimination, property ownership discrimination, and home mortgage discrimination. Home ownership is the largest wealth-generator for the middle class. Poor blacks were shut out of the primary wealth source for white families. Without wealth, and with poor job prospects, crime rose.

If we could go back to the basic root cause of a problem and deal with it on that level we could be more effective in solving it.

We need to change the attitudes.

Nobody is born prejudiced. We've got to find a way to break the cycle which transfers prejudice from generation to generation. Public information campaigns, free counseling, emphasis in schools on understanding the concept of equality - and why kids need to take the initiative to disbelieve their prejudiced parents, while having understanding that their parents might be wrong, and how to recognize it. I know kids want to think their parents are never wrong, but we have to work on that. Just because adults have children does not make them always right about everything, that it is OK to know your parents are wrong about something. Teach that kinda stuff in public schools, have it on TV, etc.
 
Hello callinectes,

callinectes said:
This is total BS. The GOP wants the rules for voting to be followed by everyone. Democrats seem to think blacks are incapable of following the rules and therefore should not be subject to them. And we don’t think blacks vote to get “free stuff”, we think ALL democrats do
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What, ya think liberals don't work for a living?

Or pay taxes?

Man.

These stereotypes just keep popping up like whack-a-mole.

I would vote for higher taxes on the rich to help the USA pay down the debt and help the needy. (I am not needy - I would get none of the hand-outs. I worked for what I've got.) It's ridiculous to be breaking the country to fatten the already-rich.
 
It was the fat cat southern democrats that disenfranchised blacks.
The southern democrats believed in Jeffersonian democracy.
Democrat senator Byrd was former KKK.

The Dixiecrats were form because they were dissatisfied with their own democrat party with their policies of desegregation.
The Dixiecrats collapsed as a party in the late 40’s with members returning to the democrat party.


A century ago blacks were republicans. The party of Lincoln.
It was the southern democrats that resisted black voting rights.

You made some stupid statements.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Oneuli,



No big surprise here. The South wanted slavery. Fought a war over it and lost. Got told to end slavery, so they immediately went into racism. That stemmed from myths to justify slavery - that blacks were inferior - like beasts, and it was just for superior whites to enslave them. Changing the law didn't change the beliefs. And so discrimination set in. And prejudice. Blacks were shut out of wealth-building with job discrimination, property ownership discrimination, and home mortgage discrimination. Home ownership is the largest wealth-generator for the middle class. Poor blacks were shut out of the primary wealth source for white families. Without wealth, and with poor job prospects, crime rose.

If we could go back to the basic root cause of a problem and deal with it on that level we could be more effective in solving it.

We need to change the attitudes.

Nobody is born prejudiced. We've got to find a way to break the cycle which transfers prejudice from generation to generation. Public information campaigns, free counseling, emphasis in schools on understanding the concept of equality - and why kids need to take the initiative to disbelieve their prejudiced parents, while having understanding that their parents might be wrong, and how to recognize it. I know kids want to think their parents are never wrong, but we have to work on that. Just because adults have children does not make them always right about everything, that it is OK to know your parents are wrong about something. Teach that kinda stuff in public schools, have it on TV, etc.
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First off......stop voting for republicans and their corrupt party......stop compromising with them as well. Their ideology, policies and agenda are built from hate, greed and racism. Keep racism out of office.
 
Tkaffen said:
It was the fat cat southern democrats that disenfranchised blacks.
The southern democrats believed in Jeffersonian democracy.
Democrat senator Byrd was former KKK.

The Dixiecrats were form because they were dissatisfied with their own democrat party with their policies of desegregation.
The Dixiecrats collapsed as a party in the late 40’s with members returning to the democrat party.


A century ago blacks were republicans. The party of Lincoln.
It was the southern democrats that resisted black voting rights.

You made some stupid statements.
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Blacks knew better than to vote racist pigs......doesn't matter what you called yourselves then.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... gee I wonder why Maine is so low? and Vermont? Could it be that both only have about 1% of their population that is black? Both are very low in terms of total population?
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That shouldn't matter. The figure isn't the percentage of disenfranchised people who are black (which would be expected to be low in a state with few black people), but rather the percentage of blacks who are disenfranchised. Even if a place only had four black people, if one of them was disenfranchised, that would be 25%.

The reason, instead, is that Maine and Vermont don't disenfranchise people -- they both are at 0% for the whole population, as well. The states with high rates for blacks have high rates for people overall, too (just not as high). For example, 9.14% of people from Kentucky have been disenfranchised.
 
Jack said:
Oneuli: "Instead, it's a product of political choices."
Jack: I agree. It's a mindset held by a silent majority.

Oneuli: "... instead there are socioeconomic/cultural factors at work."
Jack: I agree completely. Many whites inherit property from their parents, while most black parents are propertyless and have nothing to leave to their children.

Oneuli: "Yes -- at least for those who haven't had mixing with populations from other areas."
Jack: Probably the solution to many problems here in the USA.
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This is one argument for affirmative action. The idea is that if you seed underprivileged communities with successful people, you can alter the underlying culture in a positive way (e.g., providing role models within that community who can have an out-sized effect on those around them).
 
callinectes said:
This is total BS. The GOP wants the rules for voting to be followed by everyone.
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The rules Republicans focus on creating are rules specifically designed to decrease turnout among blacks. For example, when it comes to qualifying voter ID, Republicans tend to be fine with allowing ID that is disproportionately held by whites (e.g., driver's licenses, gun licenses), but not ID that is disproportionately held by blacks (say, an EBT card).
 
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