At What Point?

Yakuda said:
Completely incorrect. The OT is a fire telling IV the NT.
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Thanks for inadvertently agreeing with what I wrote.

The OT is included in the Xtan bible primarily for reference and prophecy, and has to be understood through the lens of the NT.

The NT is the final revelation that supercedes the OT. You don't seem to be aware that one of the most famous things about Paul's epistles was that the law of Torah does not apply anymore to those who accept Jesus. All Christian theology, eschatology, ethics, morals can be found in the NT or in interpretations of the NT as per Augustine, Luther, et al.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and the time was obviously wasted, since you learned Jack Shit....next time read something written by someone with some brains......
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I did find this:

Genesis: [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Looks like your god is plural, pally boy. Keep up the denial of your polytheistic religion.
 
Cypress said:
Thanks for inadvertently agreeing with what I wrote.

The OT is included in the Xtan bible primarily for reference and prophecy, and has to be understood through the lens of the NT.

The NT is the final revelation that supercedes the OT. You don't seem to be aware that one of the most famous things about Paul's epistles was that the law of Torah does not apply anymore to those who accept Jesus. All Christian theology, eschatology, ethics, morals can be found in the NT or in interpretations of the NT as per Augustine, Luther, et al.
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The Bible is a out nothing but Jesus. Luthers interpretation is not biblical.
 
Cypress said:
Torah does not apply anymore to those who accept Jesus.
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It certainly makes Matt 5:17-18 somewhat murky: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
 
domer76 said:
I did find this:

Genesis: [26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

Looks like your god is plural, pally boy. Keep up the denial of your polytheistic religion.
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no, but it looks like you are repeating yourself on multiple threads.......kind of a polytheological debate........I answered this post over there......didn't want to confuse you since I knew you wouldn't know which thread to debate in, so I didn't repeat it here.....
 
Obtenebrator said:
It certainly makes Matt 5:17-18 somewhat murky: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
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But then there's this too.

Galatians 5:14 The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love ...​

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For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." Amplified Bible For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is fulfilled in one precept, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF [that is, you shall have an unselfish concern for others and do things for their benefit]."

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    All the Law says can be summed up in the command to love others as much as you love yourself. New American Bible For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Douay-Rheims Bible For all the law is fulfilled in one word: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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    The whole will of God, containing our duty towards men, is reducible to this one thing, love; for whatsoever God hath commanded us to do towards men, is but a brauch from this root, and must flow from love as its principle. Or, the whole will of God concerning man is fulfilled in this one thing of love; where love to God is not excluded, but supposed, as the root of our love to our neighbour ...

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    For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." American Standard Version For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Berean Study Bible The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Douay-Rheims Bible

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    For all the law is fulfilled in one word: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. English Revised Version For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. World English Bible For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Young's Literal ...

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    For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." American Standard Version ... "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Young's Literal Translation for all the law in one word is fulfilled -- in this: 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself;' Galatians 5:14 Additional Translations

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    For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: Love your neighbor as
 
Obtenebrator said:
It certainly makes Matt 5:17-18 somewhat murky: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
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Jesus was a Jew, Paul was the founder of Christianity. Christian, and particularly Protestant theology is based on Paul, the patristic fathers, and others who interpreted what it meant to be a Christian.

Further, any close reading of the Sermon on the Mount clearly indicates Jesus was radical reinterpreter to the laws of Torah.
 
Obtenebrator said:
It certainly makes Matt 5:17-18 somewhat murky: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
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not complicated if you study Christian theology......since you haven't I will explain it.......he fulfilled the law of sacrifice......he preserved the Ten Commandments.......there.....wasn't that easy?.......see what you can learn if you simply study the things you pretend you already knew?......
 
Cypress said:
Jesus was a Jew, Paul was the founder of Christianity. Christian, and particularly Protestant theology is based on Paul, the patristic fathers, and others who interpreted what it meant to be a Christian.

Further, any close reading of the Sermon on the Mount clearly indicates Jesus was radical reinterpreter to the laws of Torah.
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no, he simply taught that compliance with the law, being unobtainable by humankind, is not sufficient to atone.....he didn't reinterpret, he pointed out that the Pharisees and Sadducees had MIS-interpreted it......the same misinterpretation that atheists apply today......
 
Cypress said:
Jesus was a Jew, Paul was the founder of Christianity. Christian, and particularly Protestant theology is based on Paul, the patristic fathers, and others who interpreted what it meant to be a Christian.

Further, any close reading of the Sermon on the Mount clearly indicates Jesus was radical reinterpreter to the laws of Torah.
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If one reads Matthew Jesus clearly indicates he was not there to alter one jot or tittle of the law. (I'm more than happy for the Synoptics to be made up stories, but we can't treat them as real when it suits us or as false when it suits us.)
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not complicated if you study Christian theology......since you haven't I will explain it.......he fulfilled the law of sacrifice......he preserved the Ten Commandments.......there.....wasn't that easy?.......see what you can learn if you simply study the things you pretend you already knew?......
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Not one jot or tittle. No caveats.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no, he simply taught that compliance with the law, being unobtainable by humankind, is not sufficient to atone.....he didn't reinterpret, he pointed out that the Pharisees and Sadducees had MIS-interpreted it......the same misinterpretation that atheists apply today......
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Yes, he did reinterpret.

The Jewish prophets said love your neighbor. Jesus said love the world, including your enemies.

Jesus said it said it wasn't enough to just refrain from adultery. He said you shouldn't even have lust in your heart.

From the point of view of the Saducces and Pharisees, Jesus ignored the ritual purity and sabbath laws of Torah. He hung out with lepers, he didn't keep the Sabath, he didn't practice ritual purity.

Gospel of Mathew was written for a Jewish audience, presumably in the hope that the Jews could still be convinced Jesus was the messiah.

Gospel of Luke and the epistles of Paul were written for a gentile audience.

Almost everything about Chrisitan theology, eschatology, ethics, comes from the NT, the patristic fathers, Augustine, Luther, et al.
The OT is there for reference and prophecy. I cannot recall any Sunday liturgy in the Orthodox Church that incorporated the OT.
 
Obtenebrator said:
If one reads Matthew Jesus clearly indicates he was not there to alter one jot or tittle of the law. (I'm more than happy for the Synoptics to be made up stories, but we can't treat them as real when it suits us or as false when it suits us.)
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