Automaker Stellantis to Idle Illinois Plant, Citing Rising Electric Vehicle Productio

[Althea]

So, Fiat is sayin' without slave wages- WE CAN'T GET ER' DONE!

Well, then great. Cheakskates have to move to somewhere else- like Mexico who have slum wages.

We have good wages and benefits here in America! If you don't measure up- GET THE FUCK OUT ANYWAY! RIGHT!

And every other Automaker around the world who moved their plants here are happy to pay good US wages!

We'll just create a new tariff on imported Vehicles from Mexico and Italy just for them!

There is more than one way to skin a POLECAT!

LOL. I think trump made Mexico happy with NAFTA light.

What's interesting is that auto manufacturers are making record profits now that nobody pays less than MSRP. Before factory incentives, they now make between $4000-$6000/vehicle by claiming that there are 'shortages' of product.


We learned about just how slutty the UAW is when they damn near killed GM. They made big concessions back then. Not sure how that's working, but quite a few southern factories are in right to work states. Which is why those companies are happy to manufacture here.

It saves them tons on shipping too.

They seem to be focused on the EV issue in this piece. Not sure Jeeps and pickups should be EV just yet.

 

[Nordberg]

They tried electric cars before gas powered cars. Gas powered cars were far more reliable, so that's what they went with.

Reliability was not the earmark of early ICEs. ICEs were less than half the price. Electrics were far more reliable and practical. They did not need hand cranks, which were dangerous. They did not have transmissions. Ford made ICEs at less than half the price. That is why they won out.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I wonder if locals still call it "The Chrysler Plant".

 

[RB 60]

Reliability was not the earmark of early ICEs. ICEs were less than half the price. Electrics were far more reliable and practical. They did not need hand cranks, which were dangerous. They did not have transmissions. Ford made ICEs at less than half the price. That is why they won out.

Nope. Electric cars were much less practical, that's why gas engines emerged as the better option.

 

[Nordberg]

Nope. Electric cars were much less practical, that's why gas engines emerged as the better option.

Nope. They were better than ICes. There is nothing impractical in an EV. Try driving , starting, or fixing on of the original ICEs. They were nightmares.

 

[RB 60]

Nope. They were better than ICes. There is nothing impractical in an EV. Try driving , starting, or fixing on of the original ICEs. They were nightmares.

If they were better, why did they go with ICEs all these years?

 

[Into the Night]

Looks like they're simply avoiding the UAW, as they are moving production to Mexico.

When I ordered a Promaster a few years ago, it was manufactured in Italy by Fiat, and shipped here for 'finishing'. It took a fuckin year to deliver. That was in '18 before Covid. Took delivery in '19.

I'm not sure how much of the work is being done here on Jeeps? I wonder if they follow the same routine as my van?

But the article is correct...hybrids are the way to go. EV has a long way to go here, especially given the gross lack of charging infrastructure for those who are far from home. I have a client who just got a Tesla rental while her vehicle was in the shop. She damn near had to sleep on the side of the road.

Hybrids also require batteries, which have the same problems with lithium supplies and cobalt supplies.
It is not about charging infrastructure. It is about the long time it takes to charge the car and the high costs associated with such a car.

 

[Into the Night]

LOL. I think trump made Mexico happy with NAFTA light.

NAFTA was renegotiated by Trump to favor the United States.

What's interesting is that auto manufacturers are making record profits now that nobody pays less than MSRP. Before factory incentives, they now make between $4000-$6000/vehicle by claiming that there are 'shortages' of product.

There ARE shortages of product, particularly custom IC's, mostly made in Taiwan.

We learned about just how slutty the UAW is when they damn near killed GM.

GM was killed, and nationalized.

They made big concessions back then. Not sure how that's working, but quite a few southern factories are in right to work states. Which is why those companies are happy to manufacture here.

It saves them tons on shipping too.

They seem to be focused on the EV issue in this piece. Not sure Jeeps and pickups should be EV just yet.

EV's are expensive and face long charging times and fire risk. They require vast amounts of strip mining to manufacture them, as well as child slave labor in cobalt mines. Charging them still uses coal, oil, or natural gas.

 

[Into the Night]

Reliability was not the earmark of early ICEs.

Yes it was.

ICEs were less than half the price.

And they generally are still around that range.

Electrics were far more reliable and practical.

No. People abandoned them. The same problems exist today. Long 'refueling' time (recharge time), expensive vehicles, and short lifespan compared to ICE cars.

They did not need hand cranks, which were dangerous.

Nope. Hand cranks are not dangerous. No ICE car today uses a hand crank. The use a starter motor, driven by a simple lead-acid battery.

They did not have transmissions.

EV cars have transmissions.

Ford made ICEs at less than half the price. That is why they won out.

And ICE cars are still just about as cheap today compared to EVs.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. They were better than ICes. There is nothing impractical in an EV. Try driving , starting, or fixing on of the original ICEs. They were nightmares.

The market disagrees with you.