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Aoxomoxoa said:
Don't go, it's boring. Go to Ticino, the drive over the Nufenen Pass, the highest pass in Europe, is just spectacular.
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I have to be in Zurich one day, but then I have a few days. Ill have a car, how long does it take to get to Ticino? What do I do there?
 
Jarod said:
I have to be in Zurich one day, but then I have a few days. Ill have a car, how long does it take to get to Ticino? What do I do there?
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I like Italian food, but Im not a huge fan of Italian people.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Germans are as perverted as they come......What you find "boring' some people find relaxing. I'm not too fond of this go go go society that capitalism creates.
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To each his own. Capitalism has brought more prosperity and gotten more people out of poverty than any other economic system. The beauty of being free people is if we have the ambition and means we can choose to live anywhere we want on the planet (ok, for the most part. North Korea being an example of not). If a socialist government is what you are looking for where everyone is equally poor then countries like Venezuela and Cuba await you with open arms.
 
Dixie said:
I guess it must be an Italian thing, the hanging his corpse upside down outside a gas station for public viewing? That must be some kind of "show of respect" in Italian culture or something? The man's 'claim to fame' is that he invented Fascism, and you think this is a GOOD thing?
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invented_the_political_philosophy_known_as_fascism

Benito Mussolini is usually credited with writing The Doctrine of Fascism (though many scholars believe he didn't write it, but was called the author because he was the party leader). This book is the first, and really the only book about fascist theory.

Fascism has long roots.

Like I said. Criminal elements hung him. The people were behind him. Especially in Northern Italy and later schools taught nothing but good things about Mussolini. Even in the south.
 
cawacko said:
To each his own. Capitalism has brought more prosperity and gotten more people out of poverty than any other economic system. The beauty of being free people is if we have the ambition and means we can choose to live anywhere we want on the planet (ok, for the most part. North Korea being an example of not). If a socialist government is what you are looking for where everyone is equally poor then countries like Venezuela and Cuba await you with open arms.
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Via debt, that their grandchildren are now inheriting!

Look at Iceland!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/05/iceland.creditcrunch

The reason why socialist countries are poor is because they are being sanctioned by bullying capitalist empires that want to own them.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Yet I am Italian and everyone I spoke to from the Mussolini era had nothing but good things to say about him? Can you be a victim of indoctrination via mis-information(Aka -lies)?
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In the 30s people in Germany loved Hitler.
He did much the same as Il Duce.
Il Duce did much the same as Hitler.
Including rounding up undesirables and gassing them.
 
007 said:
In the 30s people in Germany loved Hitler.
He did much the same as Il Duce.
Il Duce did much the same as Hitler.
Including rounding up undesirables and gassing them.
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Of course they did. He reinstated in them a sense of pride, nationalism.

I dont think you can compare Hitler to Mussolini as even Mussolini rejected his radical views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

The relationship between Mussolini and Adolf Hitler was a contentious one early on. While Hitler cited Mussolini as an influence and expressed privately great admiration for him,[92] Mussolini had little regard for Hitler, especially after the Nazis had assassinated his friend and ally, Engelbert Dollfuss the Austrofascist dictator of Austria in 1934.

With the assassination of Dollfuss, Mussolini attempted to distance himself from Hitler by rejecting much of the racialism (particularly Nordicism and Germanicism) and anti-Semitism espoused by the German radical. Mussolini during this period rejected biological racism, at least in the Nazi sense, and instead emphasized "Italianizing" the parts of the Italian Empire he had desired to build.[93] He declared that the ideas of eugenics and the racially charged concept of an Aryan nation were not possible.[93]

Mussolini was particularly sensitive to German accusations that the Italians were a mongrelized race.[citation needed] He retaliated by mockingly referring to the Germans' own lack of racial purity on several occasions. When discussing the Nazi decree that the German people must carry a passport with either Aryan or Jewish racial affiliation marked on it, in the summer of 1934, Mussolini wondered how they would designate membership in the "Germanic race":
“ But which race? Does there exist a German race? Has it ever existed? Will it ever exist? Reality, myth, or hoax of the theorists?

Ah well, we respond, a Germanic race does not exist. Various movements. Curiosity. Stupor. We repeat. Does not exist. We don't say so. Scientists say so. Hitler says so.
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—Benito Mussolini, 1934


Know that Hitler was just a figure head and a small part of a very large movement. There were elitist financing him world wide. Even in the USA. Not sure if it was just war profiteering with them controlling both sides or in fact actual opposing forces. if so? Catholic(Christian) Elites vs Jewish Elites......
 
Jarod said:
I have to be in Zurich one day, but then I have a few days. Ill have a car, how long does it take to get to Ticino? What do I do there?
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You can drive to Brig in two to three hours, the Nufenen Pass takes about another hour or so to get over. There is a restaurant at the top which overlooks a magnificent glacier called the Griesgletscher which is definitely worth stopping for a while. I would suggest you go to Lugano and explore the lake and go up the funicular railway. Lugano is also famous for its Italian restaurants especially pizza.
 
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wiseones2cents said:
Actually Mussolini did ALOT of good for Italy. He just got drawn into world war II. Mussolini is still respected up to this day among historians. He took from the rich and gave it to the poor. He redistributed the wealth of the land the way it should be. Where it is most needed.
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Name one historian who reveres Mussolini. And funny you mention wealth disparity because the Swiss disparity is higher than the u.s.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
You can drive to Brig in two to three hours, the Nufenen Pass takes about another hour or so to get over. There is a restaurant at the top which overlooks a magnificent glacier called the Griesgletscher which is definitely worth stopping for a while. I would suggest you go to Lugano and explore the lake and go up the funicular railway. Lugano is also famous for its Italian restaurants especially pizza.
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I just printed that and put it in my "trip" folder. THANKS
 
Demon Swordsman Crona said:
Name one historian who reveres Mussolini. And funny you mention wealth disparity because the Swiss disparity is higher than the u.s.
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Here is what Churchill had to say about Hitler and Mussolini. I guess he hated communism more then fascism......

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/864/

Churchill supported Fascism.


“While all those formidable transformations were occurring in Europe, Corporal Hitler was fighting his long, wearing battle for the German heart. The story of that struggle cannot be read without admiration for the courage, the perseverance, and the vital force which enabled him to challenge, defy, conciliate, or overcome, all the authorities or resistance’s which barred his path. He, and the ever increasing legions who worked with him, certainly showed at this time, in their patriotic ardour and love of country, that there was nothing that they would not dare, no sacrifice of life, limb or liberty that they would not make themselves or inflict upon their opponents.”

And speaking in Rome on 20 January, 1927, Churchill praised Mussolini:


“I could not help being charmed, like so many other people have been, by Signor Mussolini’s gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good, as he understood it, of the Italian people, and that no lesser interest was of the slightest consequence to him. If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism. I will, however, say a word on an international aspect of fascism. Externally, your movement has rendered service to the whole world. The great fear which has always beset every democratic leader or a working class leader has been that of being undermined by someone more extreme than he. Italy has shown that there is a way of fighting the subversive forces which can rally the masses of the people, properly led, to value and wish to defend the honour and stability of civilised society. She has provided the necessary antidote to the Russian poison. Hereafter no great nation will be unprovided with an ultimate means of protection against the cancerous growth of Bolshevism.”
 
Jarod said:
I have to depose two witnesses who live in Zurich but I have three days between the Depositions, as they are currently scheduled.
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That should be time enough, although it's getting towards Xmas so maybe you should pre-book hotels before arriving. That drive is spectacular especially from Brig to Lugano, if you like hairpin bends then you will be in paradise. The Nufenen Pass gets up to over 8000 ft so bring some oxygen!!
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
That should be time enough, although it's getting towards Xmas so maybe you should pre-book hotels before arriving. That drive is spectacular especially from Brig to Lugano, if you like hairpin bends then you will be in paradise. The Nufenen Pass gets up to over 8000 ft so bring some oxygen!!
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Im not going till June
 
Jarod said:
Why are you so famular with the area?
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I first went to Switzerland in 1974 after uni, I was backpacking with a mate and journeyed over much of Europe. I travelled the length of Switzerland from Geneva ending up in Lugano because an ex-girlfriend of mine had got a job there and I dropped in for a few days, and nights, before going on to Italy and the Greek Islands. I have been back there a few times since, as I have a good friend who lives in Berne.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Here is what Churchill had to say about Hitler and Mussolini. I guess he hated communism more then fascism......

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/864/

Churchill supported Fascism.


“While all those formidable transformations were occurring in Europe, Corporal Hitler was fighting his long, wearing battle for the German heart. The story of that struggle cannot be read without admiration for the courage, the perseverance, and the vital force which enabled him to challenge, defy, conciliate, or overcome, all the authorities or resistance’s which barred his path. He, and the ever increasing legions who worked with him, certainly showed at this time, in their patriotic ardour and love of country, that there was nothing that they would not dare, no sacrifice of life, limb or liberty that they would not make themselves or inflict upon their opponents.”

And speaking in Rome on 20 January, 1927, Churchill praised Mussolini:


“I could not help being charmed, like so many other people have been, by Signor Mussolini’s gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good, as he understood it, of the Italian people, and that no lesser interest was of the slightest consequence to him. If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism. I will, however, say a word on an international aspect of fascism. Externally, your movement has rendered service to the whole world. The great fear which has always beset every democratic leader or a working class leader has been that of being undermined by someone more extreme than he. Italy has shown that there is a way of fighting the subversive forces which can rally the masses of the people, properly led, to value and wish to defend the honour and stability of civilised society. She has provided the necessary antidote to the Russian poison. Hereafter no great nation will be unprovided with an ultimate means of protection against the cancerous growth of Bolshevism.”
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And then Churchill changed his view, it's called learning from history.
Something liberals refuse to consider!
 
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