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Mott the Hoople said:
Yea, yea...so tell me...what do you produce in your trailer park?
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No trailer park sweetie. Let's see. I produce my own electricity with solar and hydro. I also have back up power with diesel and propane (2,000 gallon tank).

I have chickens and goats and lots of animals to hunt and fish to hook. I have a root cellar where I can store lots and lots of food. I have my own supply of endless fresh water. What do you have when the shit hits the fan?
Don't be jealous. It doesn't take much to be prepared. Just some planning and sacrifice. Something you obviously don't know anything about.
You will be like those poor slobs in Staten Island wondering why it all is happening while your neighbors are stealing your shit because you can't defend yourself. I am sure your OWEbummer 2012 bumper sticker might get you some gubmint cheese.


Good luck.
 
I Love America said:
No trailer park sweetie. Let's see. I produce my own electricity with solar and hydro. I also have back up power with diesel and propane (2,000 gallon tank).

I have chickens and goats and lots of animals to hunt and fish to hook. I have a root cellar where I can store lots and lots of food. I have my own supply of endless fresh water. What do you have when the shit hits the fan?
Don't be jealous. It doesn't take much to be prepared. Just some planning and sacrifice. Something you obviously don't know anything about.
You will be like those poor slobs in Staten Island wondering why it all is happening while your neighbors are stealing your shit because you can't defend yourself. I am sure your OWEbummer 2012 bumper sticker might get you some gubmint cheese.


Good luck.
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I was watching the show on moonshining and had an idea for a water purifier.

Take one of those large round cylinders (looks like a large beach ball) and remove the valve assmebly.
Make a cone shape, for the top, like they do for a still, where the steam can collect, travel down a coil and then drip into a clean container.
Make a stand for the tank, that will hold it off the ground, so you can use either propane or wood for the fire.
About half way up the "ball", drill a hole and place a swamp cooler float valve inside.
Run a water line from the floar valve to a 55 gallon drum, that sits higher then the tank.

As the "bad" water heats up and turns to steam, it rises up, collects in the coil, and runs down to the clean container.
As the water in the tank drops lower, the float valve allows water from the 55 gal container into the tank.

Once you have an idea how long it takes for the 55 gal drum to empty, you can run the entire set up without having to constantly monitoring it.

What problems may I have missed?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I was watching the show on moonshining and had an idea for a water purifier.

Take one of those large round cylinders (looks like a large beach ball) and remove the valve assmebly.
Make a cone shape, for the top, like they do for a still, where the steam can collect, travel down a coil and then drip into a clean container.
Make a stand for the tank, that will hold it off the ground, so you can use either propane or wood for the fire.
About half way up the "ball", drill a hole and place a swamp cooler float valve inside.
Run a water line from the floar valve to a 55 gallon drum, that sits higher then the tank.

As the "bad" water heats up and turns to steam, it rises up, collects in the coil, and runs down to the clean container.
As the water in the tank drops lower, the float valve allows water from the 55 gal container into the tank.

Once you have an idea how long it takes for the 55 gal drum to empty, you can run the entire set up without having to constantly monitoring it.

What problems may I have missed?
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That would work. But I just bought a Berkey.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I know there's things out there, that can be purchased; but I like to try and think of things that can be made from scratch. :D

Plus I was trying to think of a way that large amounts of water could be cleaned.
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Too much energy input needed. Solar is the way.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Look at Hugo Chavez. Can anyone tell me how he is described as a evil dictator?lol He seems to have taken a page out of Mussolini's book.

He nationalized the oil companies and started giving cheap oil to his people and the rest of South America. To the USA he sold at normal prices and with the profit helps the poor with social programs. What an evil dictator(note sarcasm).

Do you know why the west labels him a dictator? Because he nationalized their oil industry and they were kicked off their gravy train. And the profits are being spent where they should be. On the poor people of Venezuela.
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Except for toppy's company Chevron who kept dealing with Hugo.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Just saying solar is the way, doesn't support your assertion.
Could you clarify how you would use solar, to purify water?
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Sure. Create tank, the size of which would be determined by your water demands.
Erect a greenhouse over tank. Water will evaporate (distill), condense on the glass, run down the glass and can be collected in a trough. It would even work with sea water. Ongoing energy input-zero.
 
Rune said:
Sure. Create tank, the size of which would be determined by your water demands.
Erect a greenhouse over tank. Water will evaporate (distill), condense on the glass, run down the glass and can be collected in a trough. It would even work with sea water. Ongoing energy input-zero.
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Solar stills generally do not generate large amounts of drinkable water, in short periods of time.
You would have to have a really big greenhouse and your house to tank would have to pretty close in dimensions, or you would lose a lot of it into the surrounding atmosphere (ie:humidity within the greenhouse itself).
Solar stills also are usually made to condense on the roof (what ever is used to cover the area) and the roof is a reverse cone; which allows what water there is, to run towards the center and then to drip into a collection basin.

On top of that, my design produces a lot of drinkable water, with very little loss, and can be relocated.
 
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Solar stills generally do not generate large amounts of drinkable water, in short periods of time.
You would have to have a really big greenhouse and your house to tank would have to pretty close in dimensions, or you would lose a lot of it into the surrounding atmosphere (ie:humidity within the greenhouse itself).
Solar stills also are usually made to condense on the roof (what ever is used to cover the area) and the roof is a reverse cone; which allows what water there is, to run towards the center and then to drip into a collection basin.

On top of that, my design produces a lot of drinkable water, with very little loss, and can be relocated.
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It doesn't have to be a reverse cone, an A shape is fine, it just means two troughs to collect water. There is no loss into the humidity in the greenhouse, that is just water vapor which hasn't condensed yet.
I said you have to size it to the demand. Unless you have a land shortage issue, make it at large as need be. Portable? Didn't realize the design parameters were centered on nomadic tribes (should have guessed though).
 
Rune said:
It doesn't have to be a reverse cone, an A shape is fine, it just means two troughs to collect water. There is no loss into the humidity in the greenhouse, that is just water vapor which hasn't condensed yet.
I said you have to size it to the demand. Unless you have a land shortage issue, make it at large as need be. Portable? Didn't realize the design parameters were centered on nomadic tribes (should have guessed though).
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The other draw back is that when you open the green house, to collect the water, you lose some of the heat/condesation and reduce the structures ability to maintain it's necessary temp.

The other drawback is that you're depended on sun providing enough heat. On cold days and during the night, your efficency drops.
My design only requires a heat source and no matter how cold it gets, all I have to do is have enough stuff to burn and that can be wood/paper/cardboard/weeds/leaves/etc.
 
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You really want to debate engineering with me? That's fine, I can be patient when I want to.

USFREEDOM911 said:
The other draw back is that when you open the green house, to collect the water, you lose some of the heat/condesation and reduce the structures ability to maintain it's necessary temp.
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No, you pipe it out.

The other drawback is that you're depended on sun providing enough heat. On cold days and during the night, your efficency drops.
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No, your effectiveness drops. The efficiency of a solar powed appliance will always be higher than a fuel burning appliance. The fuel burner could often be more effective though.

As I mentioned previously the appliance must be sized to the task, meaning that you could distill enough to cover dark periods. Water is very easy to store.

My design only requires a heat source and no matter how cold it gets, all I have to do is have enough stuff to burn and that can be wood/paper/cardboard/weeds/leaves/etc.
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System redundancy would dictate one of each system, with the fuel burning system as backup to maximise fuel efficiency.
 
Rune said:
You really want to debate engineering with me? That's fine, I can be patient when I want to.



No, you pipe it out.

No, your effectiveness drops. The efficiency of a solar powed appliance will always be higher than a fuel burning appliance. The fuel burner could often be more effective though.

As I mentioned previously the appliance must be sized to the task, meaning that you could distill enough to cover dark periods. Water is very easy to store.



System redundancy would dictate one of each system, with the fuel burning system as backup to maximise fuel efficiency.
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Now you want to "pipe it out"!!
Your presentation seems to evolve, as it's deficencies are pointed out.
I was pretty exact in my presentation, whereas you said nothing about piping, A frame, etc., in your original proposal.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Now you want to "pipe it out"!!
Your presentation seems to evolve, as it's deficencies are pointed out.
I was pretty exact in my presentation, whereas you said nothing about piping, A frame, etc., in your original proposal.
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Yes, pipe it out. Are you serious right now? You do realize that water comes in pipes right? The water condenses on the glass, drips into a trough, runs into a pipe and out the side of the builing.

Sorry this is too complex for you.
 
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