Biden Admin, Media Now Openly Admit U.S. Troops Are On the Ground in Ukraine

ptif219 said:
Show proof. Notice Putin starts wars when democrats are president
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Dawn Sturgess was murdered in a terrorist chemical attack in the UK (a NATO nation) by Putin in 2018. trump was president. Do you remember what he did? NOTHING!!!

trump made it clear to Putin that trump would give Putin cover. That is why Putin is trying to hold out until trump can get back into office. Putin has good chance of winning with trump in office.
 
ptif219 said:
Biden is prolonging the war.
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Much like the Warsaw uprising prolonged the war, and delayed the genocide, defending Ukraine is prolonging the war, and keeping Putin from starting the genocide.

We have spent trillions of dollars on our military to be able to prolong wars, and hopefully win them. If we want very short wars, we could have saved a lot of money. We would just surrender immediately to anyone who declared war on us.

PTif's cowardice makes me wonder whether maga/alt right losers would even bother to try to defend the USA if Putin attacked.

ptif219 said:
We could end this quickly with our power.
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Once again, in a way you are right. We could cut Ukraine off, and even send weapons to Putin to try to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. We could start rounding up Ukrainian Americans to hand over to Putin for genocide, and could surrender our own military to Putin to help in his attack on Ukraine. In fact, if we surrendered our entire country to Putin, it would go very quickly indeed.

ptif219 said:
Soon that will not be avaiable as Biden depleats our stokpile of weapons
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We are sending very old stockpiles, that really needed to be replaced, and brand new weapons that really needed to be tested. We are training our military in logistics, and testing them in a real world situation.

And more importantly we are showing the world that aggression will not work. This is saving a fortune in future wars diverted.
 
America said:
US troops are clearly time traveling. The Republicans were right all along.
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My bad I keep forgetting that technology is in their hands. I think they stole it from Obama who was first to go back in time and put his birth announcement in the Hawaii papers.
 
Walt said:
Dawn Sturgess was murdered in a terrorist chemical attack in the UK (a NATO nation) by Putin in 2018. trump was president. Do you remember what he did? NOTHING!!!

trump made it clear to Putin that trump would give Putin cover. That is why Putin is trying to hold out until trump can get back into office. Putin has good chance of winning with trump in office.
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What do you want done when one person is murdered in a foreign country. If he had interferred you would condemn him for not minding his own business. Where is the proof it was Putin? What did she do to justify this attack? You are spewing BS as always
 
Walt said:
Much like the Warsaw uprising prolonged the war, and delayed the genocide, defending Ukraine is prolonging the war, and keeping Putin from starting the genocide.

We have spent trillions of dollars on our military to be able to prolong wars, and hopefully win them. If we want very short wars, we could have saved a lot of money. We would just surrender immediately to anyone who declared war on us.

PTif's cowardice makes me wonder whether maga/alt right losers would even bother to try to defend the USA if Putin attacked.



Once again, in a way you are right. We could cut Ukraine off, and even send weapons to Putin to try to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. We could start rounding up Ukrainian Americans to hand over to Putin for genocide, and could surrender our own military to Putin to help in his attack on Ukraine. In fact, if we surrendered our entire country to Putin, it would go very quickly indeed.



We are sending very old stockpiles, that really needed to be replaced, and brand new weapons that really needed to be tested. We are training our military in logistics, and testing them in a real world situation.

And more importantly we are showing the world that aggression will not work. This is saving a fortune in future wars diverted.
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You justify what Biden does no matter how wrong he is.
 
ptif219 said:
What do you want done when one person is murdered in a foreign country. If he had interferred you would condemn him for not minding his own business. Where is the proof it was Putin? What did she do to justify this attack? You are spewing BS as always
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PTif is desperate to defend Putin's WMD terrorist attack on Britain. Putin's main target was Sergei Skripal, a defector to the UK who knew about Putin's attempts to subvert Western democracies. Sturgess was just an innocent bystander.
 
Walt said:
PTif is desperate to defend Putin's WMD terrorist attack on Britain. Putin's main target was Sergei Skripal, a defector to the UK who knew about Putin's attempts to subvert Western democracies. Sturgess was just an innocent bystander.
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You show no proof Putin was involved
 
ptif219 said:
It would be cheaper if Biden did attack Putin
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Estimates of the total cost of the Iraq War go from $2.9 trillion to $8 trillion. Because we have to pay for veterans' problems for decades to come, it is all just estimates even now that the war is over.

A war with Russia would be many, many times more expensive. And that is assuming that it does not go nuclear.

In other words, it would be much more expensive if Biden attacked Putin... And difficult to justify.

Right now, the Western powers are united with us in opposition to Putin's attack on Ukraine. If we just attacked Russia (because PTif thinks it is cheaper), that would disappear.
 
Walt said:
Estimates of the total cost of the Iraq War go from $2.9 trillion to $8 trillion. Because we have to pay for veterans' problems for decades to come, it is all just estimates even now that the war is over.

A war with Russia would be many, many times more expensive. And that is assuming that it does not go nuclear.

In other words, it would be much more expensive if Biden attacked Putin... And difficult to justify.

Right now, the Western powers are united with us in opposition to Putin's attack on Ukraine. If we just attacked Russia (because PTif thinks it is cheaper), that would disappear.
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use planes and guns on ships and drones to destroy Putin
 
ptif219 said:
use planes and guns on ships and drones to destroy Putin
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That is one of the red lines that would lead to a nuclear war. You are complaining about $40 billion in weapons that were going to be thrown out anyway; how much do you think a major nuclear war would cost? I figure you take a price of everything, and say a nuclear war would destroy 90+% of it... And then I realize a nuclear war would destroy things we have not even thought to buy and sell, but one day would.

So let's say a nuclear war would cost a billion times what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has cost us. It might just be a million times as much, but still that is unimaginably more. It certainly is not less than a million times more.
 
Walt said:
That is one of the red lines that would lead to a nuclear war. You are complaining about $40 billion in weapons that were going to be thrown out anyway; how much do you think a major nuclear war would cost? I figure you take a price of everything, and say a nuclear war would destroy 90+% of it... And then I realize a nuclear war would destroy things we have not even thought to buy and sell, but one day would.

So let's say a nuclear war would cost a billion times what the Russian invasion of Ukraine has cost us. It might just be a million times as much, but still that is unimaginably more. It certainly is not less than a million times more.
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Putin will not start a nuclear war it is typical idle threats from Putin
 
ptif219 said:
Putin will not start a nuclear war it is typical idle threats from Putin
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It would be idiotic for Putin to start a nuclear war, but people often do idiotic things. If Putin saw no other alternative for himself, he might try to do it.

Putin also has extensive plans for a mini nuclear war. These plans include a single nuclear weapon used on a single city, and trying to get advantage from that. He believes that the US might let him get away with a single nuclear weapon, rather than risk full nuclear war.

On the bright side, Russian nuclear command works differently than US nuclear command. Putin has to give orders to generals who then decide whether to follow those orders. He does not have direct command over the nuclear weapons like the US President. Even if things get very bad, there is still hope that the Russian generals will not be willing to go down Putin's rabbit hole.
 
Walt said:
It would be idiotic for Putin to start a nuclear war, but people often do idiotic things. If Putin saw no other alternative for himself, he might try to do it.

Putin also has extensive plans for a mini nuclear war. These plans include a single nuclear weapon used on a single city, and trying to get advantage from that. He believes that the US might let him get away with a single nuclear weapon, rather than risk full nuclear war.

On the bright side, Russian nuclear command works differently than US nuclear command. Putin has to give orders to generals who then decide whether to follow those orders. He does not have direct command over the nuclear weapons like the US President. Even if things get very bad, there is still hope that the Russian generals will not be willing to go down Putin's rabbit hole.
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is this another Adam Schiff leak? about the mini nuclear war?

now that really sounds convincing.
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AssHatZombie said:
is this another Adam Schiff leak? about the mini nuclear war?
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The Russians have been have had several major military exercises centered around nuclear bombs blowing up in Warsaw or Berlin. The USSR would never have such an exercise. It just would not occur to them.
 
AssHatZombie said:
so you're saying putin is a thorough leader?
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Putin is neither remarkably thorough nor remarkably un-thorough. Though I would say his invasion of Ukraine does show an extreme lack of attention to some details, and an extreme over attention to other details. He is supposedly taking colonel level command decisions personally, while he failed to realize that the Ukrainians would defend themselves.

The Soviet leaders tended to see the march of history as an unstoppable force. Putin sees it as more plastic and changeable by "great men". Where the Soviets were more risk adverse, Putin is more risk embracing. To the Soviet leaders, blowing up Berlin with a nuclear bomb would be pointless, and even counterproductive. To Putin, it would put the world into flux, and he thinks he could benefit from that.

It is a mistake to judge Putin by the strategies of the Soviets. He does use some of their strategies, but also diverges greatly from many of them.
 
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