Big night for Democrats!

[Walt]

You're simply wrong... not surprising.... perhaps you should pay more attention to what Democrats... and the rest of America and the world... are advising him to do... he's a danger to everyone but most concerningly himself... you have to know when to fold them...

If you are so certain Biden will drop out, you should promise to vote for him if you are wrong.

The reality is it would be nearly impossible to replace him by now. The campaign money has already flowed into his campaign. To run a challenge to Biden, a candidate would have needed to be in the race already for nearly a year. There is no Democrat setting himself up to be a replacement for Biden, because there is no outcry for a replacement to Biden.

Meanwhile, there are a dozen Republicans looking to replace trump. They have little chance, but they have enough of a chance they are willing to risk their careers on it.

 

[Walt]

Yep. They believe in government so small that it fits in your uterus.

LOL... That is a good one, because it is a true one.

 

[TOP]

Banning abortion is the first step for the Republicans banning contraceptives.

So you're realizing that abortion is now an "accepted" form of birth control... there's dancing in the streets.... I think that's so sad...

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

there is no guarantee for any of the lives that are created... I suppose you are correct in that a baby doesn't have much of a chance if the motherdefides to end his or her life because it would interfere with vacation plans or a promotion... or if the baby is a girl instead of a boy... but if that was the attitude of the mother perhaps she should have been a little more careful and not created the child to begin with... I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone... and putting restrictions on abortions is simply a way to encourage people to be more responsible... I'm not sure why you have a problem with that or why anyone does?

Drink up! *hick*

Where do you get this insanity, that women are having abortions because being pregnant would mess up a vacation, or they found out it was a girl and they wanted a boy? Are you even aware that isn't possible to discern sex till it's too late for a medication abortion? Maybe you should pick up a biology book instead of clicking on Newsmax all day long. As for forcing your beliefs, did you vote yes or no on the Ohio amendment on Tuesday? If you voted against it, you are indeed trying to force your beliefs on others. You are doing it right here on this forum. You want the procedure banned, period. Talking about "restrictions" is weaseling out of what you really want: a ban.

 

[TOP]

I love this place...

 

[TOP]

If you are so certain Biden will drop out, you should promise to vote for him if you are wrong.

The reality is it would be nearly impossible to replace him by now. The campaign money has already flowed into his campaign. To run a challenge to Biden, a candidate would have needed to be in the race already for nearly a year. There is no Democrat setting himself up to be a replacement for Biden, because there is no outcry for a replacement to Biden.

Meanwhile, there are a dozen Republicans looking to replace trump. They have little chance, but they have enough of a chance they are willing to risk their careers on it.

You're right they have no one so when Biden steps aside what will you do?

 

[TOP]

By "everyone" you mean no one? There is literally no one running against Biden for the nomination.

We need to remember how delusional you are on this topic when you speak of other topics.

I'm still waiting for this enthusiastic list of support for the Biden Harris 2024 ticket... take your time...

 

[TOP]

Another glorious afternoon by the way.......

 

[NiftyNiblick]

there is no guarantee for any of the lives that are created... I suppose you are correct in that a baby doesn't have much of a chance if the motherdefides to end his or her life because it would interfere with vacation plans or a promotion... or if the baby is a girl instead of a boy... but if that was the attitude of the mother perhaps she should have been a little more careful and not created the child to begin with... I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone... and putting restrictions on abortions is simply a way to encourage people to be more responsible... I'm not sure why you have a problem with that or why anyone does?

Christian conservatives are seeking restrictions on abortions with unrecognized authority to impose them.

Secular progressives have no less legitimate authority to mandate abortions in the case of ill-advised pregnancies.

I'm no less OK with the latter than you are with the former.
You don't see the moral equivalency?

Nobody should be forced to live as an unwanted child because his/her parents were irresponsible.
It shouldn't be hard to see that there's no quality to be had in a life like that.

I don't know why I feel so strongly on this issue, to be honest.

I'm essentially a fiscal socialist and a social conservative.
You've seen me rail against WOKE.

This one issue, however, crosses the line with me.

I picture somebody trying to force my wife or daughter to complete an unwanted pregnancy
and I know the excruciating hell that I'd bring down on that person,
even at the cost of my own life.

 

[Walt]

You're right they have no one so when Biden steps aside what will you do?

So you go from everyone in the Democratic Party wants Biden to step aside and let the other candidates run to NO ONE wants Biden to step aside, and there are NO OTHER candidates.

I am sure there are many Republicans who do not want Biden to get the nomination, but they have no say. Democrats are firmly behind Biden, and will nominate him. No one is forcing him to step aside, and there is no one lining up for him to step aside for.

trump will almost certainly win the Republican nomination, but trump is far weaker. There are a dozen candidates wanting trump to step aside.

 

[Walt]

I'm still waiting for this enthusiastic list of support for the Biden Harris 2024 ticket... take your time...

Already gave it to you. They have come out early for Biden, because Biden has no challenger.

 

[TOP]

So you go from everyone in the Democratic Party wants Biden to step aside and let the other candidates run to NO ONE wants Biden to step aside, and there are NO OTHER candidates.

I am sure there are many Republicans who do not want Biden to get the nomination, but they have no say. Democrats are firmly behind Biden, and will nominate him. No one is forcing him to step aside, and there is no one lining up for him to step aside for.

trump will almost certainly win the Republican nomination, but trump is far weaker. There are a dozen candidates wanting trump to step aside.

Do you honestly think that anyone wants Biden to run again? And no one wants Kamala.. I'm not sure what Democrats will do...
They won't "force" him to step aside...he'll be "gently" persuaded to do so...

 

[TOP]

Christian conservatives are seeking restrictions on abortions with unrecognized authority to impose them.

Secular progressives have no less legitimate authority to mandate abortions in the case of ill-advised pregnancies.

I'm no less OK with the latter than you are with the former.
You don't see the moral equivalency?

Nobody should be forced to live as an unwanted child because his/her parents were irresponsible.
It shouldn't be hard to see that there's no quality to be had in a life like that.

I don't know why I feel so strongly on this issue, to be honest.

I'm essentially a fiscal socialist and a social conservative.
You've seen me rail against WOKE.

This one issue, however, crosses the line with me.

I picture somebody trying to force my wife or daughter to complete an unwanted pregnancy
and I know the excruciating hell that I'd bring down on that person,
even at the cost of my own life.

What's wrong with some restrictions? it's not just "Christian conservatives who believe that there should be some type of regulations...I mean, developing human lives are being terminated...some people do care about that...
If you don't want children, don't create them...It's not that hard....That's the ultimate goal...
Do you realize how many abortions happen each year? There's no rhyme or reason...
I get that you don't like children... I do...so while you may consider it a compassionate thing to end that life...I don't...
Let's get on the same page to see that it doesn't need to be a consideration 930,160 times each year (2020)...

(No one is going to force your daughter...or anyone else...to complete an unwanted pregnancy...I'm not sure why you think they would...)

 

[NiftyNiblick]

No one is going to force your daughter...or anyone else...to complete an unwanted pregnancy...I'm not sure why you think they would...)

You're right, TOP, because she lives in NAVY BLUE Massachusetts.
It would be Midnight Blue if I had my way.

However, after Roe v. Wade fell, some blood red states outlawed just about all abortions,
and beyond that, some actually tried to arrest people coming back into the state
after getting abortions elsewhere.

So you're right, nobody is trying to force MY daughter,
age 46, and almost as beyond child bearing age as her mother,

but you know as well as I that other people's daughters are in more vulnerable positions.

Too many abortions?
Of course. By far.
Even if abortions don't bother one,
that ludicrously unnecessary strain on our medical resources is unjustifiable.

I wish that I were smart enough to think of how to encourage people to be more responsible--

not even exceptionally responsible--

even just as responsible as my very imperfect self
would be a pretty good improvement,

whether this board would believe it or not--

but with my reasonably decent 140 IQ [after all the punches to the head],

I'm clearly not.

 

[Walt]

Do you honestly think that anyone wants Biden to run again?

Yes, as we can see by all the Democrats making way so he can run again. If there was any form of backlash in the Democratic Party, then someone who wanted to be President would be running against Biden for the nomination.

We are clearly not living in the same world. You live in a world where Democrats are all trying to primary him, and I live in a world where no important Democrat is trying to primary him.

They won't "force" him to step aside...he'll be "gently" persuaded to do so...

If Biden steps aside, it will be a extreme betrayal of the Democratic Party. Democrats would be furious. They want him to run.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

You're right, TOP, because she lives in NAVY BLUE Massachusetts.
It would be Midnight Blue if I had my way.

However, after Roe v. Wade fell, some blood red states outlawed just about all abortions,
and beyond that, some actually tried to arrest people coming back into the state
after getting abortions elsewhere.

So you're right, nobody is trying to force MY daughter,
age 46, and almost as beyond child bearing age as her mother,

but you know as well as I that other people's daughters are in more vulnerable positions.

Too many abortions?
Of course. By far.
Even if abortions don't bother one,
that ludicrously unnecessary strain on our medical resources is unjustifiable.

I wish that I were smart enough to think of how to encourage people to be more responsible--

not even exceptionally responsible--

even just as responsible as my very imperfect self
would be a pretty good improvement,

whether this board would believe it or not--

but with my reasonably decent 140 IQ [after all the punches to the head],

I'm clearly not.

Many unwanted pregnancies occur because birth control failed. The rubber broke. The woman was taking an antibiotic. The guy withdrew but they forgot about that little drip of semen when erection occurs. They're Catholic and believed the priest when he said that the rhythm method works. Despite what Toxic believes, they are not all the result of dumb irresponsible sluts, or chicks who don't want their cruise "ruined" by a preggo belly. Those are specious arguments straight from the forced-birther catechism.

You are right; some states have banned abortion after six weeks (when many women don't know they're pregnant). Some are trying to also criminalize anyone who helps someone -- drives her to another state, gives her the "abortion pills," or even pays for the procedure/medication. Some politicians -- like our brand new speaker of the house -- have advocated that women who have an abortion be convicted and sentenced to work houses.

That's their world, and it's being rejected state by state by rational, sane, freedom-loving citizens.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Yes, as we can see by all the Democrats making way so he can run again. If there was any form of backlash in the Democratic Party, then someone who wanted to be President would be running against Biden for the nomination.

We are clearly not living in the same world. You live in a world where Democrats are all trying to primary him, and I live in a world where no important Democrat is trying to primary him.



If Biden steps aside, it will be a extreme betrayal of the Democratic Party. Democrats would be furious. They want him to run.

The only way Pres. Biden will decline to run is poor health. See, Toxic and the other MAGATs are confusing him with Trump. Trump runs for Trump. Trump will do *anything* to get back in our White House. He already instigated an insurrection and criminally pressured states to change their votes, as well as conspired to present fake electors.

Biden, on the other hand, actually cares about this country. He would step aside if he felt that he couldn't do the job of leading us. It's an alien concept to the RWNJs.

 

[Walt]

The only way Pres. Biden will decline to run is poor health. See, Toxic and the other MAGATs are confusing him with Trump. Trump runs for Trump. Trump will do *anything* to get back in our White House. He already instigated an insurrection and criminally pressured states to change their votes, as well as conspired to present fake electors.

Biden, on the other hand, actually cares about this country. He would step aside if he felt that he couldn't do the job of leading us. It's an alien concept to the RWNJs.

If Biden steps aside because of poor health, Democrats will see it as a betrayal. Democrats are counting on him running. That being said, anyone can have poor health(or even die), so of course it could happen to Biden.

Democrats are behind Biden 99%, which is better than the 50% Republicans are behind trump. Both will win the nomination, but trump will have some bruising primaries before winning.

 

[cawacko]

If Biden steps aside because of poor health, Democrats will see it as a betrayal. Democrats are counting on him running. That being said, anyone can have poor health(or even die), so of course it could happen to Biden.

Democrats are behind Biden 99%, which is better than the 50% Republicans are behind trump. Both will win the nomination, but trump will have some bruising primaries before winning.

The New York Times doesn't have an op-ed from a Democratic pollster talking about the resistance to Biden from Dem voters because 99% of Democrats are behind Biden. Progressive leaning papers and publications aren't writing articles about many Democratic voters who are happy Biden beat Trump but want him to step aside because 99% of Democrats are behind Biden.

This doesn't mean Biden can't win re-election but I know you're found of saying others don't live in reality, well the picture you're trying to paint isn't one based in reality.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Now my real hope is that we get some real Progressive Democrats in those seats, and not just more of the same old machine guff. Time will tell, because it sure as hell isn't going to come from the POTUS elections.