Blacks Arrested for "Contempt of Cop" at 8x Higher Rate

[gonzojournals]

You're an idiot for using a logical fallacy.

Escalation-- fight illogical arguments with further illogical arguments. AHZ isn't playing with a full deck, therefore the game is different.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

You're an idiot for assuming that criminals are.

Yer dum

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Caribou is better than Starbucks, imo.


Also, in response to RString-- why should I take the word of some random felon over the word of a cop? Do you really think that criminals aren't smart enough to know that if they accuse the cops at their trial of some wrong doing, shit heads such as yourself are going to run to their defence?

Yeah, goddamn liberty, it's a bitch isn't it?

We should just get rid of all responsbility to cops, allow them to arrest anyone, hold them indefintely, give them devices of torture...

Crime will not exist then.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Escalation-- fight illogical arguments with further illogical arguments. AHZ isn't playing with a full deck, therefore the game is different.

I've smashed your incompetent intellect into smithereens on several occasions. You have no room to brag, Senore Subpar.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Escalation-- fight illogical arguments with further illogical arguments. AHZ isn't playing with a full deck, therefore the game is different.

SOrry, I haven't been reading much of the argument. I saw your post and jumped in. Have to go back and read the rest...

 

[gonzojournals]

I've smashed your incompetent intellect into smithereens on several occasions. You have no room to brag, Senore Subpar.

People on this board that hate me (and there are many) would not even say that you have ever "smashed [my]...intellect"...you are a troll, and a retarded one at that.

 

[Timshel]

I don't want you to do anything-- that is just what I assume.

And you are part of the problem.

 

[gonzojournals]

And you are part of the problem.

Right--because of all the influence I exert on U.S. law enforcement.

I am the puppet master!

 

[Timshel]

You're an idiot for assuming that criminals are.

Nobody suggested that. Water did not miss anything, your argument is fallacious. You present a false dichotomy and a strawman.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Right--because of all the influence I exert on U.S. law enforcement.

I am the puppet master!

No. It's because of the idiotic fascist mentality you espouse.

 

[Timshel]

Right--because of all the influence I exert on U.S. law enforcement.

I am the puppet master!

Look up the word "part." Hint: it's not the one that describes the cleft in your face.

 

[gonzojournals]

Nobody suggested that. Water did not miss anything, your argument is fallacious. You present a false dichotomy and a strawman.

I never said that my argument wasn't fallacious, genius. Read my posts better.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

I never said that my argument wasn't fallacious, genius. Read my posts better.

What was that moses thread called? I wanna go beat your ass. Manson and Moses are mostly the same.

 

[gonzojournals]

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=8943

 

[TRGLDTE]

I'm sure that these are just people standing in line at Starbucks, too.

Hey man, DON'T get between a cop and a donut.

 

[TRGLDTE]

Atlanta is one of many places where Starbucks is attempting to move in to "urban areas."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3190/is_22_33/ai_54810894

It is well known that starbucks has little penetration in black neighborhoods.

3660 Cascade Road, Atlanta is OTP - Outside The perimeter - that doesn't count as inner city here.

 

[TRGLDTE]

White people do buy cigarettes, but not menthols. I guess it becomes about even though when you take rims into account.

The target market for menthols is 40 year old white men.

 

[Socrtease]

I'm allowed to use lethal force to prevent an illegal arrest?

Call me crazy, but I think I won't take your word as law.

No state do allows you to use lethal force to stop an illegal arrest. SOME states, like my own, allows you to use reasonable force to stop an illegal arrest but boy howdy you better be right. In SOME states lethal force can be used to combat illegal lethal force by the police. Again New Mexico allows self defense if the killing of a cop if you can show that the lethal force used by the cop was illegal. We had a guy here in Las Cruces that shot a cop in the neck with a .22 after the cop pulled a gun on him and set the hammer to single action. There were numerous witnesses and the jury acquitted very quickly. There was then a law suit against the police, cause the old man got beaten up pretty badly after shooting a cop and that too was settled very quickly. Almost everyone in the criminal defense world calls obstruction contempt of cop. Hell I got threatened with it two days ago because the cop was fucking with one of our witnesses for grand jury. She is a veteranarian who had a dog in her truck with the windows rolled down half way and outside temp of 69 degrees. He was telling the vet he was going to cite her for leaving her dog in an enclosed vehicle. I asked what the ambient air temp had to be for that particular ordinance to kick in, and he told me one more question outta me and I was going to jail for obstruction. Then I pointed out that I had a recorder on in my shirt pocket and he shut the fuck up and went away. The cops just didn't want the vet testifying at grand jury.

 

[Diuretic]

This referred to as a "cover charge" so they can beat the crap out of you.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/353020_obstructmain28.asp

When Seattle police arrest someone for "obstructing a public officer," chances are nearly dead even they're arresting an African-American -- in a city that's predominantly white.

Once arrested, the accused could spend a night in jail, but the odds are relatively favorable -- as good as a coin toss -- that the prosecutors will drop the case, often as a result of a review the next morning.

In fact, African-Americans are arrested for the sole crime of obstructing eight times as often as whites when population is taken into account, a Seattle P-I investigation of six years of Seattle Municipal Court records and data found.

...

Often hotly contested, obstruction arrests have become so questionable in Seattle that some defense attorneys call it the "cover charge."

"If they are going to beat the crap out of someone, they have to level a charge," said Seattle attorney Frank Shoichet, who has sued police officers more than 20 times. "That's why it's called the cover charge."

In fact, some officers described the gross misdemeanor as "contempt of cop," indicating a charge used primarily for retaliatory purposes.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the 1970s into the 1980s in the UK when police, especially in the Met (london) used the so-called "sus" laws. The full title was "suspect loitering" and the legislation they used, although amended over the years, originated in about the late 18th century, its origins probably being even further back in the vagrancy laws that were enacted about the time of Elizabeth I. Anyway, it was alleged that police, as I said, especially in London, used the sus laws particularly against West Indian youths. I don't know if it was ever really substantiated but enough yelling and shouting from pressure groups and politicians saw the law repealed. It's something of an irony because a lot of the political force used against the police use of sus laws came from the now Labour government, from people like Jack Straw. Of course now the Labour government is possibly one of the most authoritarian since the Chartist movement but no doubt they don't recognise their own rank hypocrisy.

 

[Diuretic]

you ARE allowed to use lethal force to prevent a wrongful arrest.

No you're not. You can use as much force as is necessary to prevent the unlawful arrest. Don't try to use lethal force on a cop, they're experts at it and you will lose.