Branch Davidians

Beefy

Beefy

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This is one of the great crimes our government has committed. Most people do not know the true story of it, and Janet Reno should have been tried for crimes against humanity in essentially authorizing the murder of over 80 people by means of fire.

This story stinks to high heaven.

If you have time, watch this video.

http://tinyurl.com/2sldjj
 
Beefy said:
This is one of the great crimes our government has committed. Most people do not know the true story of it, and Janet Reno should have been tried for crimes against humanity in essentially authorizing the murder of over 80 people by means of fire.

This story stinks to high heaven.

If you have time, watch this video.

http://tinyurl.com/2sldjj
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I don't need to watch it. I was as involved as an outsider could be. I even wrote to Clinton about it. You are correct, it was an horrendus crime. I call it Alamo II
 
A badly run raid on nutbags who appeared to be abusing kids and hording guns.

Thats about all it was.
 
Desh said:
A badly run raid on nutbags who appeared to be abusing kids and hording guns.

Thats about all it was.
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Not even close. It was a political manuever that resulted in the burning deaths of over 20 children and 60 adults.

Watch "Rules of Engagement" and "Waco - A New Revelation", it may surprise you to learn the details of how the government committed this atrocity.
 
I saw a good film on it on LINKTV. Very disturbing and a preview of how our police state will operate.
 
I always felt really bad for the kids, and the innocent adults who died.

I never could muster much pity for the Branch Davidians that gunned down the four ATF agents who showed up with a warrant.
 
Cypress said:
I always felt really bad for the kids, and the innocent adults who died.

I never could muster much pity for the Branch Davidians that gunned down the four ATF agents who showed up with a warrant.
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The ATF stormed the compound, guns blazing to kill the dogs and ended up killing six Davidians in the raid. And when do you excecute a search warrant with 100 armed and trigger happy federal agents?

If a bunch of armed men came to my house guns firing and all that shit, I would defend myself as well. It didn't have to be that way.
 
Cypress said:
I always felt really bad for the kids, and the innocent adults who died.

I never could muster much pity for the Branch Davidians that gunned down the four ATF agents who showed up with a warrant.
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It is generally the outspoken few that screw the pooch for the many....
 
Beefy said:
The ATF stormed the compound, guns blazing to kill the dogs and ended up killing six Davidians in the raid. And when do you excecute a search warrant with 100 armed and trigger happy federal agents?

If a bunch of armed men came to my house guns firing and all that shit, I would defend myself as well. It didn't have to be that way.
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The ATF agents, under sworn testimony, said the Davidians shot at them first. Maybe they're all lying, I don't know.


Its tragic about the dog getting killed. But that's not a justifiable reason to open fire on law enforcement agents.
 
Beefy said:
Not even close. It was a political manuever that resulted in the burning deaths of over 20 children and 60 adults.

Watch "Rules of Engagement" and "Waco - A New Revelation", it may surprise you to learn the details of how the government committed this atrocity.
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No government atrocities could be committed by lefties, the only real atrocities that she'll believe in are what could be done with voting machines and only then if it is perceived to have happened to her detriment.
 
Unless the forensic and arson investigators are all lying, the Branch Davidians started the fire.


Frontline PBS:

Although several of the surviving Branch Davidians insist that they did not start the fire, a panel of arson investigators concluded that the Davidians were responsible for igniting it, simultaneously, in at least three different areas of the compound. Unless they were deliberatley set, the probability of the three fires starting almost simultaneously was highly unlikely, according to fire experts. Furthermore, the videotapes show the use of accelerants that strongly increased the spread of the fire. Although one Branch Davidian stated that a FBI tank had tipped over a lantern, videotapes show that the tank had struck the building a minute and a half before the fire began. Also some of the surviving Davidians' clothing showed evidence of lighter fluid and other accelerants. In addition, FBI listening devices seemed to establish that the Davidians were overheard making statements such as, "Spread the fuel," some six hours before the fires began. (Joint Hearing of the Crime Subcommittee July 1995.)
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Cypress said:
Unless the forensic and arson investigators are all lying, the Branch Davidians started the fire.
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It doesn't jive with the videos of the scene, and the facts. They can say what they say, but it is inconsistent with the videotaped history of the actual event.

This is almost Orwell shit. There it is on tape, and the government saying no, its not there, and for the most part, the masses accepting it.

Seriously, do some independent research, not just the documentaries that were made, but the news footage, the negotiation tapes, the use of the military to storm a private church which is patently illegal.
 
Not only that, but there were 4 cameras trained on the front door when the raid happened, and the ATF claims to have lost all 4 tapes, as well as a series of minutes recorded on schede the day of the raid.
 
Beefy said:
It doesn't jive with the videos of the scene, and the facts. They can say what they say, but it is inconsistent with the videotaped history of the actual event.

This is almost Orwell shit. There it is on tape, and the government saying no, its not there, and for the most part, the masses accepting it.

Seriously, do some independent research, not just the documentaries that were made, but the news footage, the negotiation tapes, the use of the military to storm a private church which is patently illegal.
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Beefy, I didn't buy the wild conspiracies about the Twin Towers. I'm not going to buy conspiracy theories about the Davidian complex either, unless there's professional testimony from arson and fire experts. I can look at all the videos I want, but that doesn't make me an expert.

That's not to say there aren't serious questions about either tragedy that have been glossed over, or missed.
 
Cypress said:
That's not to say there aren't serious questions about either tragedy that have been glossed over, or missed.
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All I'm saying is that if you look deeper into this thing, it was a true travesty and failure of the government that didn't have to end the way it did. The negotiation tapes are on the internets. Listen to them.
 
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