BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.

[Into the Night]

Trump isn't going to impose tariffs on Mexico as long as they cooperate. That's the purpose.

It's obvious they're angry about tariffs because they support the brutal regime in China.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

IBDaMann has soft hands

TMI, Sybil.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Every night IBDaMann and I trade massages

TMI, Sybil

 

[Into the Night]

One more thing do you have ANY idea what a 60 to 200 tariff on Chinese good will do to the manufacturing sector of the US economy ?

Improve it.

lets see we don't make any micro chips here yet ,

Yes we do. Memory and CPUs are manufactured here.

it will be s couple of years before that happens.

We already make 'em, Sybil.

and we do not make any lithium batteries here,

So?

putting 60 to 200% tariffs on those alone will do great harm to US manufacturing,

Nope. You can lithium metal coin batteries easily from South Korea or Japan.

US auto companies alone use a lot of Chinese parts in their cars,

Very little. It's mostly Japanese or South Korean parts for the electronics, and US parts for things like tires, brakes, batteries, bodywork, etc.

and tariffs on those parts will drive up the cost of an AMERICAN made car cutting sales and people will be laid off.

What tariffs? Did you know that the entire auto industry is ALREADY having financial problems (thanks to the DEMOCRATS!)?

Then there is his 20% across the board tariffs that will drive up the cost of just about everything we buy.

Tariffs do not cause inflation, Sybil.

The CEOs of the American oil industry have already come out and said that 20% will drive up the cost of gas and fuel by about a dollar a gallon. you think gas prices were bad before just wait epically if the tariffs are 30 / 40 % or more.

The United States doesn't import oil from China. Equipment to develop oil fields is manufactured in Oklahoma and Texas. The refineries are in the United States. The only reason they are limited is because of DEMOCRATS.

And the price of that fuel, gas will be passed on to the US consumer driving up the cost of everything you buy.
It is a FACT if you bought it it was on a truck some time .

Semi-trucks and their trailers are manufactured in the United States, and driven by US truck drivers. Oil pipelines in the United States are in the United States, not China.

Your fear mongering isn't working, Sybil.

 

[Into the Night]

AND he is going to pretend they are cooperating.

As long as they cooperate, no tariff. So far, they are cooperating.
Denying what's right in front of you won't work, Pretender.

 

[Into the Night]

What do you believe "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean, Ill understand if you refuse to answer.

Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

Just like he made them pay for his wall. LOL

You try to deny that too, eh, Sybil?

 

[Tbird19482]

... and you're about to get it wrong ... proceed.


Tariffs protect national industries, not just workers, employers, producers, suppliers, etc.


Not if the consumers simply choose to buy domestic products or products from other countries that don't have the tariffs.

If China sells subsidized widgets in the US for $100.00 each while unsubsidized American widget vendors must sell them for $104.00 each, everyone simply buys widgets from China because they cost less. A 20% tariff on Chinese widgets doesn't pass 20% cost onto consumers, as you indicate. It imposes a 4% additional cost onto consumers because everyone now simply buys American ... which then bolsters the US economy, and creates more jobs, and provides lots of benefits across the board. The ones who are hosed are the Chinese widget vendors who are not selling anywhere near the same amount that they were selling before, and Americans across the widget insdustry are protected.


So you are a Marxist, and that's why you have TDS and why you find it insufferable that America will be made great again. Fuck you.

Profits are a good thing; they are the underlying driver for human happiness throughout society. I know, I know, you loathe happiness in others. Fuck you.


I notice that you didn't name any names. You don't believe this, do you? Your greatest fear is that America will become great again, and you are shitting in your pants right now. As a result, you are a raving lunatic at the moment, flailing wildly and completely irrational.

Go on record with your prediction ... so that everyone can mock the shit out of you as everything improves.


I just finished stating that I couldn't think of anything more absurd than ZenMode's presumption of speaking for "scientists" ... and then you come along with your economics Down syndrome and pretend to second guess a self-made billionaire who was previously President, who has experience with tariff strategies, who has studied tariff economics and who has a firm grasp on the world financial situation.

How shall we mock thee? Let me count the ways.

LOL really!!!
For one thing A 20 percent tariff ACROSS the board effect EVERY thing we import.
YOU talk about a 4% tariff Trump is talking about 20/30/40 % or 60 to 200% Tariffs on Chinese products and a 20% across the board on everything and will hurt a LOT of American manufactures , like our auto industry. do you have ANY idea just how many Chinese parts are actually used in a US made car? I guess NOT.
And AGAIN you MAGA moron there are a LOT of things we buy that we do NOT make here , like micro chips , It will still be a couple of YEARS before our first plant to make them will be ready to go, so tariffs on that industry isn't helping any workers.
Keep saying they protect workers in industries we do NOT have here YET only makes you look like a bigger moron then you already are.
AND IT IS YOU ASSHOLE THAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ,
If you want tariffs as large as the ones Trump says he want then that will drive up costs of everything we buy INCLUDING a lot of AMERICAN made products, causing more unemployment NOT more employment and will do low income workers the poor and people on SS real financial harm. Don't you understand that these people are already having a hard time just getting by now?
Then you want to drive up the cost of things they buy by 20,30 40% or more and then cut some of the Federal programs the depend on just to get by NOW.
And I posted links awhile back where some of the top economists have come out and said these tariffs could cause a deep recession / depression , why don't you do a little research for yourself and LEARN something for a change , I am not going to post them again , or are you too fucking stupid to even do that?

 

[Tbird19482]

He wants to have anal sex with you I read. You're the catcher

Well it looks like he will have to keep having his dreams because I don't go that way.

 

[Into the Night]

A good example of that would be the Smoot/Halley Tariff act during the Great Depression. It exasperated an already dire situation.

Tariffs across the board is a terribly bad idea as other nations would retaliate and thus drive prices up.

When Tariffs are used for strategic industries in which foreign competitors are dumping products at below cost, then they are a good thing.

Prices were FALLING after the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. It did not raise prices nor cause the Great Depression.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The article you linked to was written in 2011.

2018 - but who's counting.

Regardless, the fact remains that a foreign national who has allegiance to their has not subjected themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States.

There are some very real legal reasons why it hasn't been acted on and never will be acted on. The piece is nonsense and attempts to cherry pick cases out of context. If citizenship by virtue of being born in the US is eliminated it would result in chaos since everyone born in the US that can't prove their ancestors arrived legally would lose their citizenship.

ROFL

Look, you view an open border and mass migration by people with no ties to the cultural or political foundation of this nation as the best chance of ending the Constitutional Republic. But the foundation and reasoning of the administration is sound. You want to ignore the meaning and the explanation of those who wrote the 14th because it works against your agenda.

I don't believe the courts will strip anyone of citizenship - but I would say there is a better than even chance they will stop the automatic conference of citizenship on those who have entered the nation illegally and their offspring.

No other nation on earth - there is a reason for this...

 

[Uncensored2008]

So why did they change the wording? Seems significant that they made it more broad.

Not really - it's just the left perversely interpreting the clause that is the problem.

 

[Into the Night]

LOL really!!!
For one thing A 20 percent tariff ACROSS the board effect EVERY thing we import.

So?

YOU talk about a 4% tariff Trump is talking about 20/30/40 % or 60 to 200% Tariffs on Chinese products

Only some of them.

and a 20% across the board on everything and will hurt a LOT of American manufactures,

Nope. It will help them.

like our auto industry. do you have ANY idea just how many Chinese parts are actually used in a US made car? I guess NOT.

Very little. Most electronic parts come from Japan, South Korea, or Taiwan.

And AGAIN you MAGA moron there are a LOT of things we buy that we do NOT make here , like micro chips , It will still be a couple of YEARS before our first plant to make them will be ready to go, so tariffs on that industry isn't helping any workers.

The United States already makes micro chips, including memory and CPUs.

Keep saying they protect workers in industries we do NOT have here YET only makes you look like a bigger moron then you already are.
AND IT IS YOU ASSHOLE THAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ,

Obviously, you don't know what industries are in the United States.

If you want tariffs as large as the ones Trump says he want then that will drive up costs of everything we buy INCLUDING a lot of AMERICAN made products, causing more unemployment NOT more employment and will do low income workers the poor and people on SS real financial harm. Don't you understand that these people are already having a hard time just getting by now?

Tariffs don't cause inflation, Sybil. The Federal Reserve does.

Then you want to drive up the cost of things they buy by 20,30 40% or more and then cut some of the Federal programs the depend on just to get by NOW.
And I posted links awhile back where some of the top economists have come out and said these tariffs could cause a deep recession / depression , why don't you do a little research for yourself and LEARN something for a change , I am not going to post them again , or are you too fucking stupid to even do that?

The DEMOCRATS started the current economic depression.

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

The article you linked to was written in 2011. There are some very real legal reasons why it hasn't been acted on and never will be acted on. The piece is nonsense and attempts to cherry pick cases out of context. If citizenship by virtue of being born in the US is eliminated it would result in chaos since everyone born in the US that can't prove their ancestors arrived legally would lose their citizenship.

That isn't going to happen to people that have been established here. We're going after the people that came in during the last 4 years.

 

[IBDaMann]

LOL really!!!
For one thing A 20 percent tariff ACROSS the board effect EVERY thing we import.

... and that's not even being discussed. Next.

YOU talk about a 4% tariff Trump is talking about 20/30/40 % or 60 to 200% Tariffs on Chinese products and a 20% across the board on everything

You are fear-mongering and panic-peddling. Provide me a link to Trump's specific tariff strategy. Assume that I don't trust any numbers coming from you.

And AGAIN you MAGA moron there are a LOT of things we buy that we do NOT make here

First, I have to ask, what is it about wanting to make America great again makes me a moron? Oh, that's right, you're an America-HATING humanity-loathing, anti-happiness Marxist douche who finds the prospect of a strengthening economy to be completely insufferable.

Have you ever considered just moving to Nigeria?

It will still be a couple of YEARS before our first plant to make them will be ready to go, so tariffs on that industry isn't helping any workers.

Are you really arguing that we should never start making America great again because time will be required to make it happen?

Keep saying they protect workers in industries we do NOT have here YET only makes you look like a bigger moron then you already are.

Apparently you really are claiming that we shouldn't strive to make America great again because the results of our efforts have not already happened, and that I am somehow a moron for not recognizing this.

You are so amazingly brilliant. It all makes so much sense now that you put it that way.

AND IT IS YOU ASSHOLE THAT IS ANTI AMERICAN ,

Of course. I totally see your point. We should replace the tariffs and other economic protections with stiff new layers of taxes and just tax ourselves into prosperity. I don't know why I didn't see it earlier, but you're right.

If you want tariffs as large as the ones Trump says

If you want to bash on Trump's tariffs, get the official numbers. The numbers you're pulling out of your ass stink for obvious reasons.

When was the last time you levied a tariff on a country?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

2018 - but who's counting.

Regardless, the fact remains that a foreign national who has allegiance to their has not subjected themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Reading is hard.

Originally published by Fox News in 2011

This piece originally appeared in The Daily Signal

So a citizen of Florida has not subjected themselves to the jurisdiction of New York therefore they are not due equal protections under the law. Your argument is silly and no judge following the law will accept it.

ROFL

Look, you view an open border and mass migration by people with no ties to the cultural or political foundation of this nation as the best chance of ending the Constitutional Republic. But the foundation and reasoning of the administration is sound. You want to ignore the meaning and the explanation of those who wrote the 14th because it works against your agenda.

I don't believe the courts will strip anyone of citizenship - but I would say there is a better than even chance they will stop the automatic conference of citizenship on those who have entered the nation illegally and their offspring.

No other nation on earth - there is a reason for this...

And you decide if you just trot out your ignorance for all to see it will mean you are right? You might want to find that Asimov quote that describes you.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

That isn't going to happen to people that have been established here. We're going after the people that came in during the last 4 years.

Do you even know how births happen? Your arguments would imply you have no clue.

The equal protection clause in the Constitution says you can't treat some people differently than others when it comes to the law.

 

[Tbird19482]

... and that's not even being discussed. Next.


You are fear-mongering and panic-peddling. Provide me a link to Trump's specific tariff strategy. Assume that I don't trust any numbers coming from you.


First, I have to ask, what is it about wanting to make America great again makes me a moron? Oh, that's right, you're an America-HATING humanity-loathing, anti-happiness Marxist douche who finds the prospect of a strengthening economy to be completely insufferable.

Have you ever considered just moving to Nigeria?


Are you really arguing that we should never start making America great again because time will be required to make it happen?


Apparently you really are claiming that we shouldn't strive to make America great again because the results of our efforts have not already happened, and that I am somehow a moron for not recognizing this.

You are so amazingly brilliant. It all makes so much sense now that you put it that way.


Of course. I totally see your point. We should replace the tariffs and other economic protections with stiff new layers of taxes and just tax ourselves into prosperity. I don't know why I didn't see it earlier, but you're right.


If you want to bash on Trump's tariffs, get the official numbers. The numbers you're pulling out of your ass stink for obvious reasons.

When was the last time you levied a tariff on a country?

Why don't you MAGA morons even listen to what Trump says?

 

[Neil N. Blowme]

Do you even know how births happen? Your arguments would imply you have no clue.

The equal protection clause in the Constitution says you can't treat some people differently than others when it comes to the law.

Really? Democrats do it every day. Did you suddenly have a flash of righteousness or simply expecting more of the democrat double standard for your agenda?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Really? Democrats do it every day. Did you suddenly have a flash of righteousness or simply expecting more of the democrat double standard for your agenda?

Democrats do what every day? It seems you are ignorant of who the government is as opposed to what a political party is.