Calif is on fire again~the new normal-what needs to be done to prevent this??
- Thread starter Bill
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California needs to manage the forests and get their electric lines properly maintained. PG&E lines are 2.5 times more likely to fail and cause a fire than the American average, mostly because of age.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investig...rate-of-pge-power-line-sparked-fires/2354927/
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investig...rate-of-pge-power-line-sparked-fires/2354927/
Yeah. We'll put YOU in charge.
So. What is the first order of business ... raking the Forests?
Nukes?
Very Trumpian of you. Do you know who owns the vast majority of the land on fire? Of course not. It is federal land and Trump should go out and rake the floor. The Federal govt. owns 57 p[recent of the forest land in Calif. I guess Trump better get out his trusty rake and clean off the floors.
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Note my apathy
Washington State is also on fire. Nature.
Figuring out how to pay for what must be done....PG&E is now debt ridden, and the electric rates are already almost the highest in the nation....even as they have done a crap job over a lot of years.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pg-e-k...s PG&E estimated,life expectancy was 65 years.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets...power-line-maintenance-california-probe-finds
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Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Proper forest management with controlled burns and firecuts.
It's done in all the rest of the country.
It's done in all the rest of the country.
What does that even mean??
As someone already pointed out, more than half is fed, not state/local.........
You are correct on PG & E & none of them will do any time for the deaths they caused here.......
If a camper starts a fire they will likely be charged, fined & if negligent could spend time in prison........
~Fixing those lines will prevent some fires from starting but the problem remains-an overabundance of fuel in the system.
Decades & decades of prevention in the west has left so much fuel that when a fire does eventually occur the earth is left scorched=sterile 8+inches down which will take much longer to recover, if even possible...
T. A. Gardner
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Agreed. California's oppressive environmental and building code rules have pushed the state to where it is. If you can't clear brush and other tender from your property, if the state refuses to build fire breaks in forests, and you are prohibited from taking steps to protect your home from fire by code without onerous permitting processes and inspections, the blame falls entirely and squarely on government.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Your response means you're a clueless idiot.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
I suppose killing all the retarded tree-huggers is not a viable option?
The Utilities are heavily regulated.....the blame for letting the utilities rot even as they charge some of the highest rates (maybe THE highest rates) in the country is all the fault of the states political leadership.
But notice how they take none of the blame, they say it is all the fault of the utilities and global warming.
Lying fucks is what they are, and the citizens let them get away with it so it will never improve.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Pelosi's nephew got millions of dollars allocated to manage the forestry about a month or two before the really bad fires a while back.
It was too little too late.
Things got neglected for 2 decades or so out there.
Tree-hugging liberal retards is why.
It was too little too late.
Things got neglected for 2 decades or so out there.
Tree-hugging liberal retards is why.
There are many rules, state, county as well as fed & city but many ppl are resisting clearing their property 60-100 ft from homes/structures..
& even many of these are inadequate in high winds......
Last year fire insurance in the state- in the foothills/mountains quadrupled... A real wake up call along w/ the power outages....
I have not been able to verify this but I long ago read an argument that what needs to happen is logging most everything, and planting trees that are better suited for the climate, that what happened was that long ago trees were selected for their use a lumber and pulp (which makes sense) but if we are not going to allow logging then these are not the right trees. THAT I was told was the original sin, not global warming. Obviously this is not something that anyone is going to want to talk about, because it depowers the desired narrative on global warming, because it would take 30 years to accomplish, and because there is no dream even of finding the money to do what ideally would be done.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
The only trees that should be planted around there are ones that are native to the area. That's very important stuff.
God knew what he was doing when he put certain trees in certain areas.
I heard there's no hardwoods out there.
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That argument fails if the climate is changing significantly.
Anyways California has failed completely up to this point in managing the problem, their work is generally terrible, there is no money, so this problem will in all likelihood never be addressed anywhere close to good enough.
My advice is to give up on California....leave.
Matt Dillon
Semolina comes from wheat
Yeah no, no it doesn't.
Government got money to do things...
https://www.firehouse.com/preventio...dfire-threat-money-funds-pledge-trump-support
Having a hard time finding it..but Newsome did start an effort to address all the deadwood n stuff 2 months before the Camp fire happened.
It was too little , too late though.
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